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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Robhalex, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. Robhalex

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    Can't wait for Saturday! Being partially disabled I've been struggling to fill my rifle after each use with the cylinder pump. Kinda been putting me off using it so much when faced with the daunting task of filling up before or after use. Anyway I found on eBay someone local selling a 12litre faber dive bottle, starting at £75 with a brand new test and completely filled. After a few emails she said she would end the auction early for £100. This was abit steep for me but seeing as collecting it would only cost me a 5er in petrol compared to maybe driving a few hundred miles for a cheaper one or paying £30 for delivery it seemed a fair offset for the higher price. After a few emails she told me she also used it for air rifles and that she would include the valve whip and gauge for an extra £20.

    Anyway now I'm dead excited, but wondered if people could fill me in a little on it. How big is a 12l bottle? How many refills would it give me (to 180bar)? The woman said she only had to get it filled once in 18 months so I'm hopefully it will last me a while. How heavy are they when filled?

    If I keep it in my shed are there any measures to prevent corrosion or to just keep it in good working order.
     
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    Faber are good cylinders. They are made to be used for diving in sea water, so are pretty good corrosion wise. If you don't bash it about it will last 30 years provided you look after it.

    How heavy, a 300bar 12 litre tank will weigh a fair bit to be fair, something like 40lbs. You don't want to go humping it around the place on a regular basis.

    How many fills. That depends on what you call a fill. If you are topping up from 110bar to 180bar, it then depends on how much volume your rifle has....a bottle rifle will take a lot more than a cylinder rifle but give you more shots. Your s400 standard barrel length from 110bar to a fill of 180bar you should get 90 - odd fills.


    There is a calculator you can use to find out how many fills here:
    http://airgun-hq.co.uk/airgunhq/Tools/Calculators/tabid/54/Default.aspx
     
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    Is there anything I need from the whip to my gun? Like an adapter? It's a s400. It so would the adapter from my cylinder pump fit the whip?
     
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    Good read but it didn't help me question lol. Will I need a special adapter to connect to the rifle?
     
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    The adaptor that you have for your rifle that's currently fitted to your pump should fit the whip on the bottle
     
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    Thanks. How do I swap them over? Is it straight forward?
     
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    Sorry mate
     
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    Not to worry it was still a useful read
     
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    The standard adaptor that comes with the S400 should easily be transferred from the pump to the bottle whip, all that is required is an adjustable, or two if it's tight, the whip end should be female and should accept the male air arms adaptor which I'd imagine you have connected to the pump, just tighten and you're away, I used some PTFE on the connection to make it easier to remove and provide a better seal.
     
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    It is because it has a diving valve attached to it. As the test centre has NO CONTROL over the way the cylinder is used once it leaves the test bed, they have to abide by the law. If it has a diving valve on it, it is a 2.5 year test. The fact it has an adaptor for the air rifle does not make it a surface use only bottle - unscrew the rifle adaptor/gauge fitting and it can be used for diving again - what is stop an unscrupulous diver using the air rifle bit as a dodge to get a 5 year test for his diving cylinder? That is the worry - so the rule is:
    if it has a dive valve on it = 2.5 years test
    if it has a surface use only valve = 5 year test.

    This is why buying an old dive cylinder often works out more expensive than buying an air rifle cylinder. If you buy the cylinder cheap, but have to then buy the air rifle gauge attachement and whip....a new one can often only be about £20 more, with all the gubbins! You were lucky and got it all in one go, but that is why you have a 2.5 year test cycle.
     
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    Yeah I paid £120 for it, so pretty good deal I think. So how cheap/hard is it for me to get a new valve?(2nd hand) so that for the next test I can just go for a 5 year test! I just naively assumed that if I was using to for air rifles it would be valid for 5 years. Although I am toying with the idea of taking up scuba diving. So having a bottle ready for that could be useful!
     

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