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Need your advice again gents

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Bemused, May 25, 2014.

  1. Bemused

    Bemused Engaging Member

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    Went to watch my first FT today and quite fancy a go, I have some practicing to do as I'm both a newbie and have only done bench rest plinking anything unsuported is a little err... wobbly.

    My question refers to a suitable zero range to set for FT, current plinking zero is at 35 yards with 14.4 yards as secondary.

    Scope is Hawke Sidewinder 8-32x56 with SR pro reticule and I shoot JSB Exact 4.52 at 786 fps, airgun is Airwolf MCT in 177. Scope height is 1.75 inch.

    Also thanks also to Ian and Carl who spent some time showing me the basics at Byley FTC this morning

    Many thanks
    Tony
     
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    It is my understanding that most of the better shooters dial in the clicks for each range fro 8 to 55 yards.

    I also note your scope which is not a popular choice with the more successful shooter and if you intend to progress in the sport, then accepting that an upgrade may be on the cards?
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I have one of these an think they are great - but.................I'm interested to know what you mean by the above? (not starting a fight, I do actually want to know what you mean!)

    James
     
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    It doesn't matter where you zero because you're constantly changing your turrets,I could zero at 8 yard and still go round a course.

    The scope isn't the best but I wouldn't go as far to deem it unpopular,it should serve you just fine.
     
  5. Bemused

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    Well the scope I have is the scope I have so if FT is to become an extension of my fun I'll use what I have for now and upgrade should the bug bite and my proficiency improve.

    So if I use my current zero I am mostly flat 15 to nearly 40 yards with no clicking for my first FT?
     
  6. mattyts

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    I zero my scope at 35 yard (elevation turret is at 0)
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Hi Tony

    I've assumed you have downloaded Chairgun from : http://www.hawkeoptics.co.uk/ ??

    This will let you play with trajectories so you can see what suits.

    James
     
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    I started out with the sidewinder, It will range ok up to 45 yds but it gets a bit vague at 50-55yds. I now use a big NIKKO and a T50
     
  9. Bemused

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    Yes thanks James I have just started to use chairgun, but deciding what suits is tricky when I have little underpinning knowlage.
    I'll print some chairgun click tables for my 35 yard zero and try them out through the ranges.
     
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  10. Bemused

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    Thanks
     
  11. Bemused

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    Thanks I'm going to try at 35 yards.
     
  12. jesim1

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    Another vote for 35 m/yds - looking at Chairgun this gives a good spread in a half inch kill zone from around 11 to 40m:
    View attachment 97081

    It's where I try to set my zero, but I don't do comps.

    james
     
  13. Bemused

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    Neato James, definitely 35 yard then which is nice as its where the current zero is but your curve shows +/- 0.5" so thats a 1" kill zone?
     
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    Its plain facts. Look at what kit the better graded shooters at an Ft event are using. What you wont find is Hawk scopes in use by the better and more experienced shooter.

    I must admit I had help with the next bit

    2014 Gp2 @ ETL

    1st Mark basset - March Scope
    2nd Simon Ayers - Deben
    3rd Peter Jacob - Leupold
    4th James Osbourne - Schmitt & Bender
    5th Dave Schofield - Leupold

    I could go on, but no one in the top class uses a Hawke.

    I use a hawke myself, but even the limited time I have spent behind a better scope at club, its obvious why shooters spend as much as the can on a great scope
     
  15. mattyts

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    Maybe if the OP was a top class shooter and could justify a top class scope,the above would apply.

    We all started out somewhere,I started with a £90 Chinese scope and it served me just fine until I could understand what I needed in a scope and could justify its purchase.
     
  16. mattyts

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    Infact,the OP is lucky to have started with a good scope,many of us,included myself didn't but still got on just fine.
     
  17. Bemused

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    I like your common sense, infact my scope seems unbelievably good to me right now as does the wolf, they can both out perform my novice abilities by a country mile for sure.
     
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    ... except maybe Simon Ayers (since Hawke is a trading name of Deben Group Industries Ltd.) :)

    George
     
  19. mattyts

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    Yep,if it does what you want,then it's the perfect kit for you!

    I shoot with a 32x MTC Viper and really like it and it's great for what I want and more.
     
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    Indeed, I like you have a (cheaper) scope I am happy with for now. But if I (or indeed yourself) ever got into doing a ft championship series, then a scope upgrade would be essential to hitting more targets over. Least if one wanted to move up from C grade!
     

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