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Need Plumbers Advice!

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by john79, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    Coming up for 29 years in plumbing and heating, and this is a big fat NO NO, tbh I hate Macerator things, always blocking up and going wrong, and I try my best not too use them, the shower and waste pumps are a bit better, have fitted a few in Factories but still the fatty water Congeals and blocks the pipes. Yeah I’m not a fan :facepalm:
     
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    house is 1930's mate and yes he wants to plumb into a typical rainwater down pipe :D
     
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    1930s going to be combined system. Does the rainwater pipe he's proposing to connect to not terminate above ground level and discharge into a gully grate?
     
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    Of course Walter, me old fruit,

    Ive been called a lot worse buddy lol.

    I hope you’re ok mate.

    Best regards.
    Les.
     
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    no mate it runs under the garden into the drain in the road at the front of the house,...the sewer/fowl runs at the back of the house's !
     
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    All good Les. Cheers mate. Its been another enjoyable evening my old mucker. I've got the staghorn hair cutting sharp. It's done. But I can't help staring at it and giving it that "one last test"....:facepalm:?!! :laff:........the top of my left forearm is as bald and smooth as Yul Brynner's head!
    Respect Sir.
    Walter :):thumb:
     
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    Nice one. I did some homework myself on this tonight @john79 . You're right.....and he's wrong. There is only one reason that would legally allow him to do this. You're no mug mate, and I'm sure you are already aware of the regs and law on this. Your neighbour sounds like a chancer to me. All will be good , I'm sure. :thumb:
     
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    Good man Walter, we are hi jacking some else’s thread here Walter so we’re out of hear.

    Regards.
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    The pipe in the road at the front of the house may also be a combined sewer (could also be a highway drain but then it would be unlikely to have any domestic connections to it). A quick call to Anglian Water Sewerage Tech Support should confirm status of pipes to front and rear of your property in a jiffy!

    Even if the rainwater downcomer does eventually connect to another combined sewer the method of connection your Rozzer neighbour is proposing would contravene building regs as the rainwater pipe system is not designed or installed for the carriage of foul waste and odour issues/blockages are likely to occur if used in that manner.

    Tell him to take a dump in his hat instead! :D
     
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    :laff::laff:quality mate :claping:
     
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    Sorry Les. I'm a nightmare for that. Cheers for the heads up.
    :thumb:
     
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    Sometimes the 68mm pipe goes straight into 100mm pipe at ground level. You would expect this only on a surface water drain but I've seen it on combined systems, which means they must be in breach of following rule.

    The solution to this is a "Y" junction with the waste water going in one side and a gully trap put on the other side to take the rainwater, then no foul air can escape from the sewer into the guttering.

    This is a common layout in combined systems so it's not necessarily proving the connection of a Saniflo is wrong. The Saniflo would still have to be connected correctly and the drain would, I believe, need to have rodding access to any/all changes in direction.
     
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    The WRAS, (Water Regulation Advisory Scheme), offer an advisory service. 0333 207 9030 from their technical dept. Tell them it is a Category 5 fluid discharge and confirm by email to avoid misunderstandings.
    If the downpipe discharges into a combined sewer it should be by way of a trapped gully at ground level, although on 1930s houses a type of manhole known as an interceptor was also used .
    Provide it is a combined sewer, a solution for your neighbour is to connect into the below ground pipes via a branch, leaving rainwater downpipe and associated trap intact. Then bring up a stub stack to 1.000 metre above ground adjacent to downpipe and connect saniflo into that.
    A further complication, if matters get difficult, is all underground pipework serving more than one property is now classed as a public sewer and any work done needs approval/inspection of local water utility company. From recent experience this could entail a £400 fee.
     
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    ime 68mm downcomers will always connect to a 4" or larger drain at ground level either directly or via a gully as 4" is typically the smallest we ever installed in the UK since Victorian times.

    The Y junction workaround arrangement mentioned above is not something I've ever seen above ground level to prevent odour escape and I can't visualize how that could work anyway. Sanis use 22mm or 32mm dia solvent weld waste pipe for their discharge iirc and can pump a fair distance on the flat or with slight backfall (ie the full length of a house and then some) but if installed in a cellar where they must overcome a floor level of head first this is drastically reduced. They are an absolute last resort really.

    As I said earlier even if the rainwater pipe does connect to a combined drain, the foul connection from the Saniflo should not be connected to the rainwater system and instead should be routed to an existing SVP or connected directly to the drainage system itself by some other compliant means (maybe a short riser stack with a collar boss and a durgo hat on?). Local BCO should be able to advise.
     
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    WRAS is concerned with clean water supply only mate not the waste/drainage side of the industry.
     
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    If you're on their approved plumber list I'll take your word for it. Nevertheless, contacting the local Environmental Health Dept. confirming having spoken to WRAS and being referred on,will encourage appropriate action.
     

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