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Need Plumbers Advice!

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by john79, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:51 PM.

  1. john79

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    My neighbour has decided to get a down stairs toilet fitted (saniflo) and thinks because he's using this type of system he can therefore plumb into the rain water pipe at the front of the house!:facepalm:

    our house is joined (terraced) and so shares the same rain water down pipe , the sewer/fowl pipe is at the back our the houses !

    The rain water at the front of the house runs into the storm drain in the road
    the neighbour is a policeman and said he's done his homework and im in the wrong for saying he cant do that :eek:
     
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    That’s a big fat no .
     
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    Thankyou mate :thumb:
     
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    should I report this to the local water authorities ? as the so called plumber is not bothered and wants a quick buck before xmas?
     
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    As above.... unless the downpipe runs into a combined sewer/surface water.

    I've seen main drainage where a sewer runs at the back of a row, surface water at the front, then they combine at the end of the row. The arrangement is one of convenience/layout but the system is combined. There are regs that would need to be complied with, for example the way in which the existing downpipe joins the main drain (min size below ground 100mm, joins drain at invert level, and has rodding points at any change in direction) may preclude use of that route.

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    Water authorities may not have definitive maps and, since privatisation, may take the easy option and tell you it can't be done.
     
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    It wouldn’t be the water authorities initially , building control at your local council office .
    A saniflo is just a glorified blender with a float switch , you absolutely cannot plumb one directly into rainwater / storm drains it has to go into the foul water drains .
    The only exception would be where it’s a combined drain scenario , common on older properties , but since you’ve said the foul is at the back I assume it’s a split system .
     
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    If he is a policeman he should not want to be contravening regs and/or 'telling' people he can do as he wants, in this snowflake age his well paid and pensioned job could be at risk, if he doesn't understand that he is a tit.
     
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    Definitely no that's ridiculous
     
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    You submit a form to Building Control (cost depends on cost of work to be done) and when they do a site visit you will have to demonstrate the system is combined either by providing Water Authority plans (which may not exist or be correct!) or by lifting manhole covers and putting dye down the drains. It helps if they see a few tiirds floating down the "surface water " drain. (Don't get a mate to drop a few undercover in a manhole upstream!) ;)

    Been there, done that (not the get-a-mate bit) for a normal flush WC on a system where surface water ran at the front and sewerage at the back in a early 1960's combined system. Combined systems were phased out later... I'm not sure when.
     
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    I’m aware , my point was to the op , he could contact building control and inform them his neighbour is s******g in the storm drains :eek:

    It really doesn’t sound like the neighbour will be or has contacted them lol ....
     
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    Of course. Just saying how it can be done. :thumb:
    And dobbing your neighbour in is great for cordial future relationships, especially with ex-plod! Been there and done that too! :facepalm:
     
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    If it is a combined sewer, rain water & foul, then your neighbour could be correct. Although common in the past, combined sewers have gone out of fashion because in storm conditions the treatment plant gets overloaded. Do not expect any help from Building Control but the local water authority will confirm if your neighbour's actions have contravened regulations. With or without saniflo, it is the classification of waste fluid that matters not size of particles in the pipe.
     
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    Let's hope it isn't a soakaway! :eek:
     
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    As all the above have said .... :facepalm:
     
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    A further consideration of the situation:- Even if the stormwater runs into a combined sewer, the pipe it connects to, (rainwater pipe), even if 4", needs to extend 1.000 metres above any opening window before venting into air. Unless the guttering is more than 1.000 metre above opening this is not possible.
     
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    It’d be a real shame if moss and leaves blocked that drainpipe just below his inlet pipe .
     
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    Lets hope it is then he will be a x pig in s*** which is what he deserves by the sound of things.
     
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    Overflowing gutter would focus minds. Hopefully motor in saniflo would burn out first. Not sure about non return valves and whether pan would overflow internally first.
     
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