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My pair of refurbished BSA Meteors...

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by bhodge, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. bhodge

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    Having spent several months trying to find a BSA Meteor (the air rifle of my youth!) to refurbish, I eventually got myself a Mk5 in .177 that was in a pretty sorry state...It had 'everything' wrong with it - plus 'floppy jaws'. It was my intention to spend the winter months doing the gun up. It didn't work out that way - I corrected the floppy-jaws, cleaned, polished & relubed the internals, fitted a new spring (the standard Meteor type), a PTFE piston sleeve was next. In addition the entire gun was scrubbed back to bare wood/metal, several coats of Ronseal Dark Oak satin wood stain varnish, and several coats of cellulose Tungsten metallic spray paint finished the gun off. Fundamentally, I didn't want the gun to be bog standard BSA colours, I wanted it to be different, but still look the part.
    Well, the .177 was completed within a week of me owning it! So much for the 'Winter project'.... I had to get another one!!
    On new years eve it arrived, a Mk5 .22 in very much better condition than my first one... My decision was already made, the whole gun would be stripped down and treated to exactly the same work as the first one. There were a couple of issues that I'd not come across with this one though - firstly, the trigger pin had been cut down so as to make it totally unstable. Secondly there was a hell of a 'crack' sound everytime the gun was cocked. It seemed to me that the cocking lever was banging against the forestock as the trigger engaged - I was correct, a 12mm x 25mm piece of 3mm thick leather was glued in place at the very front of the cocking groove and that sorted it. The trigger issue took seconds to fix, I unscrewed the trigger adjustment screw & pushed out the remnants of the original pin, a new pin was cut to size and put in place. The adj screw replaced and the job was a good-un!
    The 1st gun (.177) puts out 7.5fpe with RWS Superdomes, and the 'new' gun (.22) is 7.2fpe with RWS Hobby pellets. I'm more than happy with these results because the reason for tackling the first refurb was pure nostalgia. Both guns are super smooth to cock & shoot and its a pleasure to use them.
    Just a matter of waiting for the new scope to arrive for the .22, then I'll have a matching pair (apart from the fact the .177 is a Super & the .22 a Standard Meteor).
    Pair of BSA Meteors.jpg
    Top gun = .177
    Lower gun = .22 (a process of elimination there folks!)
     
  2. Meteor62

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    That clack noise on cocking has always p****d me off. Thanks for the simple fix tip.
     
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    Nice thread..... KB1
     
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    Loooooveeerrlyy mate
     
  5. dave ratz

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    very nice pair of bsa"s , i do enjoy putting these old legends back to use , atb Dave
     
  6. OLD GIT61

    OLD GIT61 if no spring it wont do a thing

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    bhodge nice pair of guns ,and well worth the time you put in to them.
     
  7. valboskie

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    Well done mate they look brilliant.
    Have you shot them much.
    I'm only asking as I shot mine yesterday properly for the first time and it was rubbish
    I could not hit an a4 sheet at 10 yards.
    I put a nice 4x32 scope on adjusted the hight to maximum still could not hit the paper.
    Aimed 3 feet above at 10 yards and hit the bottom of the paper.
    My barrel was drooping donwards. I was gutted.
    Then I checked the barrel my wedding ring had scratched off some of my paint finish.
    I will need to try something more durable than BBQ paint it looks good but scratches to easily.
    Im hoping you have used yours and the car paint is more durable.

    The trigger on my meteor is shocking the pull is so hard people who shot it thought it would not fire its that
    Stiff .
    Any advice you have on getting a nicer trigger would be great .

    When I got home I was p****d right off after falling in love with my we restoration meteor
    New spring .o ring .buffer washer. end cap . Hw 35 breach seal I was happy when I chronod it st 9.5fpe
    But now gutted.
    I stewed for an hour then decided to have another look the barrel was not locking up right
    I skimmed the seal and that done the trick no more droopy barrel positive lock up.
    Just needs the trigger sorting and painted in the summer or in warmer weather.

    I might try a piston sleave like yourself mate.
    I made one for my mercury out of a relentless energy drink can its the thinnest metal I could find
    But the spring touches it.
    Should it or should the spring still move freely. I have never made one before and was going to leave it out.
    When I pull the spring out sometimes the sleave comes with it .
    Any advice on the proper size space and the fit of a piston sleave would be much appreciated

    I just want my we mk5 to shoot sweetly if anyone can help
    Cheers
    David
     
  8. Meteor62

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    I too was hacked off with the trigger pull on my mk4 super (mk 5 with a cheek piece) and decided last week to do something about it. First I took the trigger out and noticed some spring tar I had used on the spring had got onto the piston where it engages the sear. So cleaned that off and tried again. Definitely better but still very stiff. So I took to rubbing all contact points of the trigger sear with 600 wet n dry used dry,
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Just enough to give an even finish and take off any high points. Then lubed these parts with moly paste
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    Put it all back together and now have an acceptable trigger. No it's not good but it's def better and now useable.
    I used this rifle to good effect on a feral pigeon shoot last year so accuracy isn't bad at all. Not the best by any means but up to the job.

    The trigger on my mk 1 meteor is still streets ahead and here's a group I shot with it last week at 15 yards.
    Damn! I deleted the pic but lets just say a 2p coin would have been hit with every shot. Try the trigger polish but be careful don't go too far as things can get dangerous.
     
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    Hi mate,
    trigger issues... now don't quote me on this - but I think its directly related to the power that the gun is producing! In my opinion Meteors perform best when they're running below 8.3fpe. When I was refurbing my first Meteor I ensured that the replacment spring was a Chambers 'standard' type - 240mm long, & 34 turns of (approx) 3mm wire. This gives a reasonable amount of pre-load without stressing the internals too much. The purpose of the first refurb was get the gun shooting 'nicely', the output power was of no consequence to me....I don't hunt, I plink & target shoot, I do a bit of FT - but I use my 'Real' guns for that. My thinking being 'if, on completion of the project, I could hit what I'm aiming at at a max range of 25yds then its been worth while'. Well I achieved that, the power from my .177 was 7.5fpe - which is more than enough. See photo below - 5 shots at 20yds using Superdomes. All 5 shots can be covered by a 5p coin.
    When I started my second refurb (.22) I decided to treat it exactly the same way as the first project. So another Chambers standard spring was ordered...the refurb was done 'as the first one'. The piston sleeve was made from .25mm PTFE sheet, this forms a snug fit when the spring is installed. I've still got a some left so if you want me to cut you a piece then just pm me your address and you can have it (120mm x 60mm). I've not had a chance to evaluate the .22 yet, I only finished it yesterday! The new scope should arrive tomorrow - so get that fitted & I can check it out!! I have run a couple of shot strings through it - AA Fields produced 7.4fpe & Hobby's gave 7.2fpe...the AA's are too expensive to use regularly in the Meteor so I'm basing the standard power as 7.2fpe with the Hobby's.

    Meteor 20yd target.JPG
    I just hope the .22 can produce similar results!!
     
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    You have done an excellent job my next rifle might be a meteor me thinks.
     
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    Hi bhodge I did like what you did I bought the standard spring from john knibbs along with new o rin pidyon seal and new buffer washer. I was hoping for 8fpe to 8.5fpe eith superdomes .
    The only difference is I was told to use an hw35 breach seal.
    As this alone could add 1fpe with no effect on the rifle it was just a more efficient seal.

    The rifle rattles when fired so im off to the charity shop for an old 3mm belt to cut up
    And glue in place.

    How is your paint job holding up on your .177 as I will re do mine.

    I would like to take you up on your kind offer of the piston sleeve as I can check the fit for future reference
    On other rifles I have still to do.
    Atb
    David
     
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    No problem David , I'll also add a small piece of leather. This leather pad is fitted to stop the cocking lever 'slapping' the inside of the forestock when cocking...so I don't know what you mean when you say it rattles. My paintwork is sound with no hint of chipping or wearing, it's proving to be very durable. Pm me address and the bits will be in the post ASAP.
    Brian.
     
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    It might have been because the hw seal was to thick and I never had full lock up.
    Its a definite click now before the seal was getting splayed out .
    I have a 40 target hft coarse on Sunday to shoot.
    But I will take the meteor and do more testing everything hopefully should be ok now
    No more aiming 3 foot above the target to hit the bottom of the page.

    I will also polish the trigger sear as well as the trigger pull just now takes you off target.
    Cheers
    David
     
  15. Meteor62

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    That mod won't fix his stiff trigger
     
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    I tried a hw35 seal also as recommended by others, far too big.
     
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    Thats correct.... as stated in the trigger thread - the mod is based on removing any slack in the trigger mechanism. Therefore making it more positive, not easier to pull....thats a completley different issue (which I believe the source to be the mainsprings back pressure on the trigger sear).
     
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    You are probably correct. I also agree that a standard spring should only be used. The later meteors after mark 2 in my opinion went a little downhill in both build quality and with the trigger. The mk1 meteor is far better (same mainspring used) it is lighter and very predictable. I'm now after a mark 2.
     
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    It's the standard main spring I used from john knibbs.
    I was advised not to buy the titan spring option and keep the spring standard.
    I feel the trigger incredibly stiff , I don't have access to another meteor to test it against
    They might all be like this for all I know maybe im expecting to much.
    Cheers
    David
     
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    Try the trigger polishing I did and you should notice an improvement. You have to accept the meteor for what it is mate, a beginners gun that many shooters cut their teeth on (and trigger fingers lol) I love them for the nostalgia not because they are a blistering accurate gun with a sweet trigger. Having said that I know there was a guy who won a ft competition in the 80's in a period when just about everyone would have been using highly tuned hw77's, with his mk4 meteor! He still has the gun to this day.
     

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