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Question MTC (or others) vs Prostaff/Diamondback

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 177, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. 177

    177 Donator

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    Most of you know that I like Nikon Prostaff scopes for my hunting rigs.

    I have one Vortex Diamondback left on one of my air rifles but I prefer the Prostaff ret so even though the Vortex offers better low light performance the Prostaff has the best combination of low light and aim points for my purposes.


    Among many others, I've tried a couple of MTC scopes and not been impressed - the most recent attempt was seriously poor :(


    That said I've not looked at a recent vintage Viper or Mamba.


    Has anyone used them AND either Nikon Prostaff or Vortex Diamondback ?


    If so, what would your comments be, particularly regarding first and last light ?


    I am considering options to go onto a Logun Gladiator project gun that ought to be in my sweaty paws some time next week.


    I have a very short list of potential suspects to look at - I've no problem buying another Prostaff BDC :D


    I keep hoping to find an even better combination of features. So far, that hasn't happened...

    Any takers (who have used both) ?

    Thanks for looking.
     
  2. Tim_B

    Tim_B Major Poster

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    I have a mamba light and 2 prostaffs (1 mildot, 1 bdc). in terms of low light I get on with the mamba fine and use it constantly into the evening before the yukon comes out. Having said that the prostaff does edge it in low light - but I can use either quite happily in the evenings.

    a little non committal maybe, but they both work for me.
    Thanks
    Tim
     
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    I have both a mamba lite and a prostaff efr here. I think the prostaff just edges it, not much in it at all though. I was going to either keep my little wtc or prostaff for a rat rig and the prostaff was much better with the low light red lamp i was using....i no longer have to funds for a dedicated rat rig so have the nikon for sale. It is for sale on the 'other forum' if you want to take a look. I think you are close enough for face to face if interested ;)
     
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    Also if it was a genesis you tried......Censored, mamba lite all the way for my day time shooting.
     
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    Use both Mamba and Nikon BDC and IMHO the Nikon wins as regards being lighter, better glass and plenty of aim points. Also use a Viper Connect AMD, a very good scope, imo wasted on .177 as far too many aim points, much better on .22
     
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    Thanks all for the feedback.

    Honest and objective commentary is sometimes difficult because everyone tends to defend what they bought. Sometimes to the death...

    ;)

    I'll try and find someone local who has one to take a sneaky peaky and go from there.
     
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    If you want more performance than the Prostaff provides with the same reticle, have a look at the Monarch - similar money to the top end MTCs but far, far superior optics. Better optics again than the Prostaff, mine is 3-12x42, side focus, comes down to about 37 yards even though it is only marked down to 50yards, it does come to useful airgun range. I think Uttings or Optics Warehouse have a few on a special, I can't remember where I saw it now.
     
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    I have 3 Connects & 1 Prostaff-nuff said:)
     
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    What? You mean you won third prize, and so had to go and buy a Nikon!
     
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    I have had a few vipers, mamba's, mamba lites, prostaffs and efr's, fieldmasters and a vortex viper to go on.

    Mtc-
    Vipers 10x44- crap in low light.
    Viper connects- I found it not optically good enough to justify the fov, size and benefit of having the weight further back. (but a great scope if glass isn't your thing).
    Mamba's- I found these to be so heavy just to gain ir and a 30mm tube. Optically about the norm.
    Mamba lite's- best overall package of the above mtcs for hunting, lighter, cheaper, simpler just more hunting friendly.
    Scb reticle- I find it too busy for hunting and would prefer to see it less "covering"

    Nikon-
    Prostaff 3-9x40mm- I didn't get on with this tbh, but this was a phase when I was wanting all the bells and whistles but found a cheap one to have a go. My issues I think was just the underwhelming features of it. And that probably it wasn't parralaxed right.
    Prostaff efr- love these scopes, glass is all round very good and better than any scope I have mentioned. I have had about 4 of these. The things that nag me most about them is the fov and reticle. Why not add at least very small aim points to the reticle???
    Fieldmaster- weight to magnification ratio is good, glass is probably on par with the efr, nikoplex reticle is not my favourite as duplex reticles for me are usually too thick and offer no benefit over a 30x30 or efr reticle.

    Vortex-
    Vortex viper- as you know I was tossing up between a few scopes that you also like. First impressions in daylight are very good. All functions are smooth (but the efr's are smoother) turrets are positive and re-setable. Everything feels solid and also is made and finished well.
    Its little things like the vortex symbol lines up on the turret cap level, the clicks are positive, the magnification numbers are raised and angled, the box comes with a nice cleaning cloth and little vortex badge, scope covers aren't made from recycled belamite.

    As to glass, compared to the efr it gets my vote just, but this is only in day time comparison. You know how these sort of scopes all compare from previous discussions.
    Downside with viper sf is focus range goes down to 50 on sf turret, but it's perfectly fine at 25yards.
    I also like the viper as it's weight to feature ratio is very good and it's short too.

    The issue with these types of scopes (Nikon and vortex) is ao/sf adds alot onto the price and I like having it. So it becomes very much a situation of paying 2-3times as much to benefit from, warranty, glass and fit and finish.

    For me though it is worth it.

    I plan on changing all my optics to the mildot vortex vipers as a package they have everything I want and to get better you'd be probably spending 2-3x as much which I doubt would show as significant a jump between the 2-3x you pay for a vortex viper.

    If you want any info on the viper I can try and answer it for you as I know they aren't very documented in the uk.
     
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    I have done back to back comparisons with the Connect (32 mm version)& Prostaff on several occasions, for me there is very little in it light gathering wise, what makes the difference to me is the cross hair, shooting crows as they come into roost, it is the black cross hair on a black background that disappears first. The IR on the Connect allows me to shoot long after I could with the Prostaff, so for me it is a better package.
    Oh & I bought the Prostaff way before the Connects.:p
    I spend more time now shooting HFT & again I have found the Connect more suitable.
     
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