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Modern BSA?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Ichabod Armacost, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. Ichabod Armacost

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    Morning fellow shootists...........

    Apologies for this if it's been done to death, but a search of the forum reveals a mind numbing amount of posts re. BSA. I have always liked BSA rifles, but my experience is forty years out of date. I will get to my question in a minute, so please bear with.....Yesterday, I treated myself to a Webley Longbow (second batch) almost new, and in lovely as new condition, it was the right price complete with a fairly decent Nikko scope, a bag and a few tins of pellets. I have a Diana 54 on order, and I now would like a BSA to add to my initial collection. No I aint Mister Moneybags, I have sold some stuff to fund this little lot.

    Now as I said, I would quite like a BSA, and I have spotted a really nice airsporter, it is a minter, but I think that if I bought it it would be out of nostalgia more than common sense, so I was wondering what that panel thinks of modern BSA air guns? I was looking at this............ http://bsaguns.co.uk/air-rifles/gas-ram-technology/GRT-Lightning-XL-SE.aspx

    Yes it's got a dreaded phut box!:D Still it looks a tidy job, then I was looking at this, http://bsaguns.co.uk/air-rifles/spring-guns/Supersport-SE.aspx Which of course doesn't, and is probably more my sort of gun. I have read that some of you folks don't reckon the modern BSA jobbies, but I have never really got a clear understanding as to why? According to their website, the barrels are still cold gorged in Brum, so I guess there can't be much wrong with those? I also think that the Meteor MK7 is a very attractively priced rifle, and seems to have been upgraded to a reasonable power output as far as shooting paper and a bit of plinking is concerned.

    Your considered opinions will be most appreciated.
     
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Modern BSA springers, simply put, are not BSA at all but Gamo rifles in disguise! Only recently has there been a return to spring powered rifle assembly (note I did not say manufacture) in the BSA factory in Birmingham.

    Older BSA rifles are quite good, heck I have a BSA spring powered or two in my collection, both pre Gamo manfacture (but only one is pre Gamo ownership). The Lightning has garnered a horrible reputation which has done nothing for the brand.

    The Airsporter is probably the better bet!
     
  3. doodsy

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    Keep to the diana 54 :)
     
  4. Ichabod Armacost

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    Can't......I'm a bit of a shooting tart!:D
     
  5. Ichabod Armacost

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    I used to love my airsporter, but power output is dismal compared to more modern offerings, or so it seems to me?
     
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    Go on, just buy one with a phut on it, you know you want to.:D
     
  7. Ichabod Armacost

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    I feel that it would be letting the side down somewhat...........................After all my comments re. phut boxes on here, I would never live it down!:)
     
  8. Lee67

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    My first springer for years was a lightning Xl last summer.....horrendous twang and left me with severe arm arm, trying to cock it.....sold it on and stuck to pcp's....then other month I fancied another try and bought an AA tx200hc...stage one tune and a fancy stock and it's a keeper....did me proud Sunday In the British Recoil champs.....I actually beat a lot of the top shooters.....
     
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    I wouldn't touch a modern BSA springer with a bargepole.
     
  10. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    It's profit over quality these days!

    Not just bsa, it's global!!
     
  11. Ichabod Armacost

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    Yeah ok, but why? Trouble is, you get so many posts on here like that, or such and such rifle is crap, I am not being rude, but it aint helpful. I have been told that they aren't BSA but Gamos in disguise, well ok, so what makes that so bad? Are Gamo rifles rubbish? If so why?
     
  12. Egg

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    You've answered your own question.
     
  13. Ichabod Armacost

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    I think to a certain extent that is true, but I don't think it sweeps right across the board, we are still able to by quality rifles, but they come at a price, and one that many of us don't want to pay. For me the real issue is "value for money". I don't think that £300-00 is going to buy anyone engineering excellence, but I would hope that it would buy them a decent enough rifle that does what it says on the tin? Hence my question really, BSA air guns look on paper to be value for money, so what I am asking is, are they? and if not why not? Maybe I am asking an impossible to answer question? Maybe choosing an air gun is a far to subjective subject to get an objective answer to?
     
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    I don't think so, but I would be grateful if you could, I have no idea if Gamo rifles are rubbish, before a couple of months ago I had never heard of them.
     
  15. Stevie Darling

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    A simple lack of quality control, they don't give a Censored! get them out fast, and get them in the shops. It's the same for freezers, washing machines, the list is endless. I have a freezer in my shop from the early 80s, I also have one from 2012. The old one still going strong, while the new one has been fixed 5 times in 2 years.

    Its no just bsa, it's global!
     
  16. Egg

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    The only way you're going to objectively answer your query is to go to a shop and shoulder the gun and then fire it. If it feels good when compared to others then buy it; if it doesn't feel good then don't. Simples.

    As we all know, the internet's a wonderful place full of tantalizing adverts promising the moon on a stick however, the general consensus is that modern BSA spring powered rifles don't cut it against the other big names. Granted their barrels are good but a good barrel can't turn a pig into a princess.
     
  17. OLD GIT61

    OLD GIT61 if no spring it wont do a thing

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    Icha you take the Airsporter i have 7 BSAs And i have been after a Airsporter M2 for some time.But i would have to have the mk2 as it would have a scope rail on it to use a scope .My eyes are not that good anymore for iron sights.
     
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    Thanks for that, it's a shame innit, they sure look purrty!:)
     
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    It seems most BSA sales of their springers are because of the reputation they had generations ago,now they are made to lower tolerances and specs in factories abroad,on the other hand the PCPs from BSA are very popular
     
  20. Ichabod Armacost

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    Hi OG,

    I must admit, I am tempted, the one I am looking at has a scope on it, a BSA Deerhunter 3-9x40 'scope, it's a bit pricey though, and it's a .22, I would sooner have a .177 really, and a .177 stutzen would be even better!:)
     

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