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Moderated Shotguns

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by BigSteve#72, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. BigSteve#72

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    I've been trying to get hold of a decent 2nd hand moderated .410 shotgun without any success. I'm considering opening up my options to a 20G and was wondering if there was a significant increase in sound generated by a 20G compared to the .410
    What would be the pros and cons in going up to a 20G?

    Cheers

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    None, i've dropped as many water fowl & upland game W/a .410 bore as any other.. Ammo may be a trifle more expensive, yet , on target is ...on target. Several degrees of wounded, only one degree of dead... Hold ' em tight, all will be good... All bore size gives is a bit more lead in the air+ more powder blast..more noise
    Only a certain % will hit target anyway,( pattern your gun!) yet all will hit w/ near same
    velocity.. Less recoil= tighter shot= accuracy..others may defer - this is my experience...prevalence is full choked for waterfowl, improved cylinder for skeet & upland , modified for all' round use...
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    I've had a look on Gun Trader and seen some nice examples 2nd hand. By the time you add on the delivery and two sets of RFD fees the extra cost doesn't make them such a good deal. Plus most RFD's I've spoken to now require you to send them your SGC so that they can transfer the gun, that would require special postage to lessen the chance of it being lost in the post:facepalm:
     
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    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Yes mate, it's not always straight forward to find what you want at a local (ish) RFD and I feel your pain :thumb:
     
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    I missed a moderated Baikal at an RFD twenty miles from me by 24 hours. I phoned them yesterday evening asking and was told 'I only sold one yesterday evening'. Gutted to say the least.
     
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    If that is the one i've just linked you to then they need to update their website then :facepalm:
     
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    20g pumps in their standard form will be louder than a .410 but have a considerably longer kill range. .410= max 35 yards 20 Bore= max 50 yards.

    A 20 gauge can be made as quiet as a .410 but requires another baffle set and a special choke at a cost of £ 180 or so.


    A single barrel .410 is quietest.

    .410 pump 20 gauge single barrel and and 20 gauge pump with the modifications are next quietest all about the same level.

    Then you have 20 gauge pump standard and 20 gauge double barrel a bit louder.

    Then 12 gauge single barrel and 12 gauge modified pump louder again.

    With 12 gauge pump loudest.

    I have had them all. I still have 3 of them.

    IF I were only getting one it would need to be multi shot and have a good range I would go for a 20 gauge pump with a wad slowing choke and extra baffle set. 50 yard range and VERY quiet.

    If budget was an issue I would look for a second hand 20 gauge standard pump.

    If weight were an issue I would go for a 20 gauge double barrel.

    If only creeping up on stuff like squirrels in woodland or farmyard shooting crows and feral I would consider .410.
    For decoying rabbit shooting roost shooting and so on the 20 has better range and can be made as quiet as .410 with the modified pump gun.
     
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    I spoke to them a couple of weeks ago and apparently even though they are advertising both them and the mossbergs as in stock they are waiting on a delivery as there is currently a shortage to to the backlog at the proof house:facepalm:. Maybe due to the same reason is why second hand guns are like hens teeth at the moment.
     
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    It will be used for around farm buildings mainly and maybe a bit of walked up woods shooting :thumb:
     
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    I've a single Baikal .410 hushpower and it's great all round. Very quiet and preferred ammo is 3in Eley subs.

    A semi would be handier so you're not restricted to one shot but it suits my needs.
     
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    Used Hushpowers are supposed to be quieter than new ones as they get coked-up and this is meant to aid sound suppression.
     
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    The 20bore ou hush power is very good. So good fella I know stopped buying subsonics for his and uses standard 20bore carts
    It's the full length moderated one, looks like a drainpipe with a brass pip on the end.
    Plus points can use heavier carts more shot in them to shoot longer ranges. Easy to load your own if that's your thing and can save you money on subsonics.
    .410 is lighter but can't shoot as far carts are expensive for what you get. If not using many it may be a better choice. This one was £560 so should find others around that price. Copy (2) of Hushpower 002 (Small) (4).jpg
     
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    I've just got off the phone to an RFD that's about 40 minutes drive from me. Asked the question if they had any moderated .410 shotguns in stock and they replied 'yes - Baikal single shot and a Mossberg pump action'.
    Going to pay them a visit tomorrow my only decision is which do I go for?
     
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    Mossy pump every time!

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    :D
     
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    that's not a mossberg,, that's a 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun.
     
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    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    I know - poetic licence was required on this occasion :) :thumb:
     
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    Reading previous comments I really am torn now between .410 and 20 gauge with the latter giving me more scope of use:facepalm:
     
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    have you set your mind on a moderated 410, I found the fully moderated versions were always robbed of effectiveness for sake of being a little quieter.

    a 410 with a can type mod was much better in my experience.
     
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