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Massive Daystate pellet test

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by jesim1, May 3, 2014.

  1. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Massive Daystate pellet test – so I know how they all work in my guns, but they will probably be different in yours!


    So why even bother reading? – Go do this yourself, but it may help you narrow the field to half a dozen contenders, especially if you have a Daystate.

    I had help from my wife, who is as good a shot as me off a bench, and we spent an entire day and into the evening at Atherton Indoor Range near Manchester on a quiet afternoon putting hundreds of pellets (close to a thousand) through dozens of targets. I’d like to say thanks for putting up with us to the Range, I think we were the only people who wanted to stop shooting long enough to change the targets we were using, and the free air for PCPs was a bonus to.

    The method was simple – use 4 Daystate guns - 2 x Regals, a Panther, and a MK4is, all in .177, at 30 yards into paper targets after zeroing all rifles with Webley Accupells. The aim was to get the tightest groups, not the best bull, as we were looking for consistency and accuracy, which would change from pellet to pellet type. We tested 22 different pellets from various sources, some sample packs, some tins I bought to try in different guns, and a few more tins I got when buying some of these guns as part of a deal. I tried not to go over the top on this, it did take a day with two of us even for this degree of testing, so anything more you will have to try yourselves, but this should be a good guide to set you on your way. We fired a 10 shot mag through every gun, the first 5 shots just to get the gun used to the pellet, the second 5 at the targets which we had pre labelled to help us. We then also had more targets and a check list to keep track of them all.

    Conclusion - I’ll do this now as I’m sure most people just want to know which was best! :blah:

    All guns liked 14 of the pellets, I would be happy to shoot with any of these in any of my guns, which was a bit of a surprise to be honest. The criteria for this was that a 5p piece should be able to cover all 5 holes on the target from 30 yards, and a 5p is about 18mm in diameter. The best pellet overall, shooting under 10mm groups with both the Panther and one of the Regals, was the - JSB Exact 4.53, and all the ones below marked with an * produced under 15mm groups in all guns.

    All of these were great pellets, all under the 5p at 30 yards with all guns, and the * marked ones just a touch tighter:-

    *JSB Exact 4.53
    *H&N Field Target Trophy
    *RWS Superdome
    *H&N Barracuda Match
    *AA Field Diabolo 4.51
    JSB Exact 4.52
    Webley Accupell
    AA Field Diabolo 4.52
    Bisley Magnum
    Webley Powapell
    Defiant HFT 4.5
    Defiant Medium 4.5
    Daystate Rangemaster Li
    Sovereign Rangemaster
    Falcon Accuracy Plus

    Worst pellets by far – don’t even ask about groups, some of these were missing the paper targets! :-:roflmao:

    Wasps
    Webley Harriers

    Under no circumstance buy these pellets, if your given some by a friend then they are not really your friend!

    Here are the also ran pellets, these groups were widening to about the size of a 20p piece at 30 yards, so still good, but a little off in the company of the other great pellets above:-

    Napier Power Hunter
    Defiant Large 4.52
    H&N Field Target Trophy Green
    Weihrauch FT Specials 4.51
    Weihrauch Magnum 4.5

    Here are a couple of pictures just to show the 5p size guide on the targets we were using. :hunting:
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    View attachment 95382

    Make what you want of the results, but I think most pellets are different, and also different guns have different preferences in pellets, but there is also a lot of common ground where a lot of the pellets were good, but not the best – but only by mm’s over 30 yards. It’s also strange that despite being zero’d with the Acculells, the guns would still pretty much remove the centre of the bull in several cases – the Panther took out 9 centres, even though 8 of the pellets were not the ones used to zero it, so they must all have almost identical characteristics?

    I hope this helps a few people in the future.

    James

     
  2. Grumpyoldman

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    very interesting . my ranger likes AA diablos 4.52 ,but spray and pray with 4.51 i also find im better cleaning the barrel every 100 shots or so
     
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    Out of curiosity did you clean the barrels when changing pellets
     
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    Great bit of research James, I will try a few.
    I did find your old Wolf pellet rest but are finding JSB Exact 4.52 are working best for me but will seek out the 4.53s and see what happens.
    I also found the FTT greens to be really wide of the mark but they do make a rather cool sound as they fly!
     
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    Thanks for the research with the pellets.
    Very interesting results.
    :)
     
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    I'll second the fact that Webley harriers in .22 as well. At least I have plenty of lead for fishing when I run out. Either that or I'll use them to knock prey out long enough for me to run over and catch them before they wake up again.
     
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    Interesting...if you were to repeat,I would be cleaning the barrel inbetween pellets and firing 20+ to re lead the barrel,filling in the sweet spot each time and not using a mag.

    Still,that's some pretty thorough testing,should help a few people!
     
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    It's all about how serious you are and to what lengths your willing to go to.

    This took two people a day, with the quantities you suggest, and cleaning the barrels between shots, you could actually be talking about a weeks solid work, and that is too much for a casual plinker like me.

    So no barrel cleaning, just a few shots to get the guns used to different lead, and mags used for speed - but I'm very please with the results.

    If I had an add on, it would be to do as you suggest with the top 5 pellets, but for now I'm all targeted out!

    James
     
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    My air ranger favours the jsb exact heavys
     
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    Just goes to show how Superdomes seem to be a good starting point for shooting in .177 and IMHO .22 as well. The price point is also normally somewhere between uber cheap n nasty and the overpriced brackets.
    I'm quite a fan of RWS Superfields in my HW100 and TX200 as well. Still working on what flies best from the Webley Tempest, not to mention my technique of shooting the thing.
     
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    Great work James, I need to get round to pellet testing the mk4 .22. I don't think I will be testing as many pellets as you and your wife did though. Glad to here your sorted with a .177 mk4 now, that's quite a collection your building.
     
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    Hi Dave

    I only tested as many because I had built up quite a few pellets in .177 of different brands as I kept acquiring them to do so, and I also got quite a few from you, but not in large enough numbers to do all the guns, so I only used a few of them for this and a few packs in the Panther, which I'm bonding with quite nicely. If you remember I had pellets on the way to do the same with the .22 but sold it before they had even arrived as I had meant to keep it. Anyway, I can't be a collector because I've sold a couple of my Daystates also, but I'm still not sure I should have sold that one to you, nothing personal, but it liked living here:D

    James
     
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    I've also been doing some testing with the Regal .177 not had much joy until this last set with only H&N FTT being any good at all. Previously tried JSB Exact in 4.52 ok but too many flyers same with AA Fields 4.52, Superdomes well non of my guns get on with those giving groups resembling a shotgun pattern. Rangemaster Sovereign ok but nothing to write home about. Biz mags would be great but again far too many flyers for my liking.

    This last batch of testing was with:-

    2 Cards of 5 shot groups at 35yds giving 50 shots and 1 card 5 shot group at 55yrds, Rifle was recharged to 190bar between pellets and pellets pick straight from the tin.
    Accupell FT 4.52

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    JSB Exact 4.50mm, grass stem deflected the ringed shot.

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    JSB Exact 4.51mm, the ringed one deflected by a grass stem.

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    AA Field 4.51mm, there were a couple of flyers on these.

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    Very good Largerider, it looks like you have found some excellent pellets for your Regal, especially as this was outdoors. When I bought my Regals for the family I was hoping they would be accurate, but I'm finding they are every bit as good as my other guns which are twice the price. I'd be happy using any of the pellets you have shown above.

    James
     
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    Gone with the exact 4.51 for now. The Accupell are a bit heavier at 8.64 grain and fly just as flat all these groups were shot without altering zero and aim point was always the bull.
     

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