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m1 Garand - will they ever be legal?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by mbison, May 7, 2014.

  1. mbison

    mbison Busy Member

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    I would love to own or even just shoot some historical military rifles. I know I could buy and enfield or moisin which is always an option but I have always had a love for the masterpiece that was the M1 Garand. 30-06 rounds aren't cheap mind, but it would truly be wonderful to experience.

    On a sidenote: Anyone else interested in mil-surp or historical military rifles?
     
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    I put a few rounds through one of these rifles some years back when doing training for NI. I recall it had a hell of a kick. Good fun trying out various weapons, Thompson, AK47, Armalite etc. I didn't really appreciate it then as it was just another weapon that needed to be cleaned later.
     
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    Not a very nice rifle to shoot to be honest. Fairly heavy recoil and can't be reloaded until it's empty. The M14 was a big improvement but too expensive for a military rifle although good versions were very accurate and used a scoped one in competitions for a few years.
    The Garand was much more effective than the bolt action Springfield as an infantry rifle but not the easiest thing to use, worth having a try particularly if you're a bit of a masochist. Historically it is important and gave the American troops a big increase in firepower. Of the period rifles I preferred the 30 calibre carbine ( as a civilian shooter) which was fun to shoot but, for a soldier, a bit short on stopping power although it's probably roughly similar to the 9mm smgs and carbines which are also used where a compact weapon is required.
     
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    What exactly is 'illegal' about this rifle?

    Are you referring to it not being able to be held on a section 1 FAC?..
     
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    As a self loading full bore rifle it was made illegal as another knee jerk response, happily we now have a situation where gun crime is completely unknown in the UK all thanks to our wonderful government.
    (WARNING - this post contains sarcasm and should not be read by those without a sense of humour)
     
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    So it can only be owned with a section 5 FAC?
     
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    Would love to shoot a ww1 smle , m1 carbine and a Thompson aswell doubt will get to shoot any but would be interesting :)
     
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    I think you will find section 5 of the firearms act refers to prohibited weapons. Ie self loading centrefire rifles.
     
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    These rifles are now classed as prohibited weapons under Section 5. Before all these gun bans were introduced S5 authoristaion allowed the holder to posses machine guns and there were some people and dealers who held this authority. I don't know but I think that it's highly unlikely that individuals have this and probably only a handful of dealers, maimly for export trade. A special case is the Brocock air pistol which is classed as S5 and some people have certificates allowing their possession but they can't be sold/traded etc. As far as I know there are many of these pistols which have not been licenced because the owners aren't aware of the situation.
    You might get a S5 ticket for protection of a ship (against pirates) but I imagine it wouldn't be easy and is probably not done through your local police force. Some self loading rifles can be converted to single shot, magazine fed, bolt action although I can see no point in doing so but it is potentially possible to get them as S1.
     
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    I think that there are some shooting holidays run in Eastern Europe but don't know any details although I have heard of people doing it as part of stag dos etc.
     
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    Such a shame. I know the m14 outclassed it a lot but it's more a history thing than a mechanical thing. I spent 5 years of my life studying modern history most of which was world war 2 so I have a keen interest. On a purely firearm basis there is SO much I want to shoot haha.
     
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    I think that one of the most interesting weapons of that period was the Bren gun which was a similar concept to the American BAR. The Bren had a greater magazine capacity and, with the top mounted mag, could be shot from a lower prone position which I imagine is quite handy if someone is likely to be shooting back at you.
    The development of military small arms is a very interesting subject and after WW2 military and sporting weapons went in slightly different directions.
    I have been able to shoot many military weapons, with some of them it's fair to say that I wouldn't go out of my way to repeat the experience. Of the bolt action rifles my favourite (for shooting) was the 1896 Swedish Mauser, in early self loading it's the Bren although I've not had a chance to try the MP44. In more modern stuff the L1A1 was good and in 5.56 the M16/AR15 is an excellent rifle. I hope to be able to get a chance to try the .50 BMG which is in use for long range shooting although I don't think that there are many ranges certified for that calibre.
    Don't forget that there are plenty of iconic military handguns, some which are worth trying for their historical value would be the old Webley revolvers, the Luger and the Colt M1911. If you're a Bond fan don't forget the Walther PPK and on the subject of 'film' guns the S&W M29 is guaranteed to make your day.
    If you want to try a wide variety then a shooting holiday in America is probably the way to go although the E European option is probably cheaper and easier although with less choice.
     
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    I've never been a big pistol fan but I would definitely love to try a 1911. I want to try the big 3 bolt actions too, Enfield no4, Springfield and Kar98. I may eventually add to my ticket and buy a milsurp but it's all just money isn't it.
     
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    I carried and shot the LMG for a short time which was basically a Bren with a 7.62 barrel and straight mag. (correct me if i'm wrong Terry) I remember it was quite accurate but a pain when slung. Never seemed to sit right like the GPMG did. I wasn't a big fan of it as a lad in my unit some years earlier had had an accident climbing a fence in NI and killed himself, due to a light safety catch I think, I can't recall now. Same with the Sterling SMG, didn't want anyone with one of those following up the rear with one up the spout.
     
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    Could you not get one as a section 7. We have over 120 members in our club with pistols under section 7 but I've not seen any with semi auto rifles.
     
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    No you can't.
    But you can have one as a section 1 straight pull. Most of the classic military rifles are available in straight pull. You get a certificate with the gun saying it has been altered as not to allow the fitting of a new gas block and so can never be converted to semi auto. So it is able to be held on section 1. The charging handle is pulled each time to load a new round into the chamber.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    with one up the spout Not literally 'cos it fired from an open bolt, same-same as the Bren/L4 LMG
     
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    Fair point, 'Made ready' is the correct terminology.
     
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    I have a mosin nagant and a sporterised mauser 98, both are good fun to use!

    John
     
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    You get a certificate with the gun saying it has been altered as not to allow the fitting of a new gas block and so can never be converted to semi auto. Err, no you don't. I have an acquaintance with a straight pull Garand & I have straight pull AR15s and an M14.
    One cannot convert a semi auto to straight pull, it has to be manufactured that way (normally built from new parts or spare parts).
     
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