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losing my permission

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by troy tempest, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. troy tempest

    troy tempest Well-Known Member

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    hi all just been informed by the farmer that a small syndicate of phesant shooters will be buying the shooting rights shortly so my days are numbered as he put it lol. oh well i'll have to do a bit of door knocking on the weekend to see if i can get sorted somewhere else mike
     
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    that sucks mate :(
     
  3. lone wolf

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    Can you not put it to him that you could shoot the corvids and tree rats that will eat the phessants eggs and preserve the numbers of game birds for the syndicate???

    Gaz
     
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    Feel for you mate but remember when your going round looking for new perms to tell them the reason and tell them to give your old perm a call, 3rd party reference are the best you can get. Good luck.
     
  5. r10hunter

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    Obviously the farmer will have to withdraw your permission as he will no longer own the shooting rights. Unless he owns the land and retains vermin control in the contract.
    BUT Speak to the new gamekeeper for the syndicate. Most will be more than happy to have some airgunners on board to control the vermin while allowing them to concentrate on things that affect his game like foxes.
    Hope things work out for you.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    You'll find a lot of pheasant shooters are also general shooters, and will keep any land they have the SR's over for their own vermin control.

    Thing is OP, even if they own the sporting rights, the farmer may still have the legal right to control pests that are damaging crops.

    or maybe he just doesn't like you...
     
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    Andy,

    I was under the impression that rabbit, hare and pigeon can still be controlled, despite the SR's being held by someone else?

    K
     
  8. r10hunter

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    Depends on the contract with the syndicate. Many farmers would just prefer to seek damages from the syndicate. If a syndicate is investing big money they will want to control all shooting. You won't want any pigeon shooting near a wood in the week of a game shoot etc. Tenant farmers often get no choice

    Cheers Andy
     
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  9. troy tempest

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    he said the vermin shooting rights will be included in the contract so i cant see them wanting an airgunner around the farm but i'll have a word with them if i see them you never know
     
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    The gamekeeper is going to have a huge infrastructure to build if he is starting from scratch.

    1 meter of release pen wire per bird for his pheasants. For a small shoot that is 1.5 k of wire. He will need to build shelters cut tracks build electric fences etc etc.
    A huge undertaking by July when he will put his birds to wood.
    The offer of an odd days help and to be his number one beater in shoot season will go a long way.

    And someone that knows the land like you do will be a massive bonus to him.
    Will the gamekeeper be out rabbiting half the night with that lot to do, no chance!
    Gamekeepers like airgunners they can TRUST because they are stealthy and control a problem without upsetting game birds.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    That must be a nightmare negotiating that!
     
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    Normally a land agent is appointed by the landowner who sorts out all the paperwork. I don't think I would fancy the job either.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Elk hunter Keyboard Hero

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    What I'm about to say may upset some....

    Put your hand in your pocket and offer to pay for the right to shoot the vermin. Many people pay to shoot, lease land I do and think nothing of it. Land owner will defently take you seriously even a few hundred pounds may make all the difference.

    Andrew
     
  14. r10hunter

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    Maybe worth a go, but the farmers contract with the game shoot could be worth up to £ 30000 per year to him.
    He will have to take some land out of production and have some costs in drilling and maintaining maize strips etc. But it will be worth big money to him. I doubt a couple of hundred pounds would make a difference but you don't know unless you try I suppose.
    If it were me I would speak to the new gamekeeper.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    just make friends with the gamekeeper , i did and got a rat perm ta boot:D
     
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    Good advice Andrew. I had no luck finding free perms and now I am in syndicate. I pay £115 per year and have three farms to shoot. Works out £9.58 per month. Now I have stopped smoking I don't mind the cost.
    Andy
     

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