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Looking For Advice on New Rifle..

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Pete E, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. Pete E

    Pete E Engaging Member

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    Hi Folks,

    Apart from dabbling with airguns years ago, I am a new comer to air rifles although a long time shooter/hunter, holding an FAC.

    I am considering buying a lad in the family an air rifle for his 21st birthday. He has expressed an interest in one numerous times and has access to some land to shoot it on. Initially, he will probably use it for plinking, but will likely progress to shooting rabbits ect.

    We've had a browse around our LGS and viewed and handled several rifles. The young man himself is of a slim build and found some of the rifles on the heavy side. He also appears to like the looks of the modern synthetic stocks rifles rather than the more traditional wooden stocks.

    So, I am looking for a light weight synthetic stocked springer, probably in .22, at around the £150, possibly a bit more if it comes with a scope. Given that its likely to be used on rabbits, I'd like something as close to 12ft/lbs as possible. I would also prefer a new rifle, or if secondhand it would need to be in excellent condition given its going to be a present

    We have seen a Diana Panther 21, but I am not sure how close to 12ft/lb its likely to be?

    Any other suggestions/ideas would be welcome...


    Thanks in advance,

    Peter
     
  2. mattyts

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    Can I ask why .22?

    If you're adamant on .22 then a Hatsan Mod 85XTH is £150 brand new,synthetic thumb hole stock.

    For £100,you get the same action (Hatsan Mod 55S) but in a walnut stock for £100 in either .22 or .177.

    Scope wise,on a budget you're looking at something such as a Hawke Sport HD 4-12 x 50,they are about £55 new so for £70 you will have scope and mounts.

    The above rifles run very close to legal limits.
     
  3. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    Save up an extra £50 and get an HW99. There's very little under £200 that could hit a cows arse with a banjo! Possible exceptions being some of the Hatstands.

    As far as scopes go, don't bother with the 50mm. It's too big, too heavy, too poor quality but looks good. Spend the same on a decent 3-9x40 and get better quality glass.
     
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    hatsan 85XTH, CZ634 synthetic with a matts MWSS silencer, norica dragon carbine, stoeger X10 synthetic, all in .177 for hunting and targets, try superdomes for the pellets. but if he wants a .22 superdomes again, a hawke scope suitable for a springer, if you are lucky you might find the best springer second hand a HW95K but wood stock. good luck
     
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    Ganton Gunner Super Duper Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    I would avoid the norica dragon not a bad gun but the trigger on them is awful stupidly heavy you have to account for the trigger in your shot
     
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    Nothing like a forum to get some nice consistent information :)
    Obviously everyone has their own idea of what would be the best gun and that's great but the OPs head must be spinning already,I know mine is :)
     
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    I made my statement as the op stated the lad was of slight build and a heavy trigger imo would be of no use
    also I will give another vote for some of the hatsans :up:
     
  8. mattyts

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    Here's the 85XTH:

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    It was my first gun when I was 13,very easy to cock,.22,comes with a silencer.

    I initially wanted the 55S (pic below) but it was too hard for me to cock,I went back last year and bought it,no issues using it now
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    Both cracking guns for plinking and a bit of hunting,won't break the bank and can be tuned if/when you feel you need to (mine is a whole new gun after being tuned)
     
  9. Pete E

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    Thanks folks for the input..

    Up to now I am liking the looks of the 85XTH and the CZ634, with the 85XTH looking like it will be easier to get hold of..

    Mattyts,

    In your first post you mention that the 85XTH and the 55S use the same action, but in your second post, you mention that the 55S is more difficult to cock..whats the reason for that? Is it down to barrel length or does the 85XTH have a less powerful spring..

    Also could you point me in the direction re tuning the 85XTH, ie whats involved and whats to be gained??

    Regards,

    Peter
     
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  10. mattyts

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    The silencer on the 85XTH helps greatly when cocking although it should be no problem for a 21 year old to cock either of them.

    Tuning the 85XTH/55S is relatively easy,you can go two ways..the first is to improve the parts already fitted,take the gun apart,remove any sharp edges,put better lubricants in,polish some parts etc.

    The other is to fit new parts which can be purchased in a 'kit' , I purchased a kit from Woodfield GCP/Welsh Willy which contained a new spring,washers,a top hat,all the relevant lubrication and instructions for fitting.

    Without the silencer on the 85XTH,the barrel is actually very short but this in no way effects accuracy and the silencer does help which I imagine will be a good thing for you considering the gun will eventually be used for hunting.
     
  11. Pete E

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    If the lad gets the bug so to speak, I will probably get an air rifle myself and a HW99 would definitely be a contender.

    Re the scope for the lad, I know what you mean as given the choice I know he would go for a "hubble" with all the bells and whistles! At the end of the day, he's not going to be shooting over 40m, and 20m to 30m is going to be more usual. Given that variable scopes with in our budget are all going to have a reticule in the Second Focal Plane, which means the graduations on the reticule will only be true at one power, I am seriously leaning towards a fixed power. I am thinking 4x32mm or 6x40mm, either with either a Mil dot or some other graduated reticule to make holding over easy.

    One thing I am not sure about is whether a low power scope like that would benefit from having AO or SF? I know the FT guys use that function for ranging, but I can't see him needing that feature for the immediate future..

    I don't know if anybody makes a decent quality x4 or x6 scope geared up towards air rifles like that around the £75 point?

    Regards,

    Peter
     
  12. Pete E

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    Thanks for that Matty..whats the trigger pull like on the 85TXH and can it be adjusted/tuned?

    Regards,

    Peter
     
  13. mattyts

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    Given that your budget is pretty decent for a mid range scope <£75 I would go with a variable zoom ( 3-9 or 4-12) AO

    You don't have to use the variable mag function but it's always nice to have it,if you're plinking in the back garden wind it down to 3-4 and if you're out hunting at range,set it to 9-12,Nikko make the Mountmaster which is a decent scope for the money and Hawke do their Sport HD lines.

    I have never really gotten along with fixed mag and fixed objective scopes,especially not the ones at low mag so can't really advise on any although I really like the MTC Viper 10x44 which is slightly out of your price range (second hand, £100) but is one of the clearest scopes I have ever looked through.
     
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  14. mattyts

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    It's a very good trigger unit for the price,certainly beats the ones on the chinese SMKs that sell for the same price, there is no creep and it's adjustable for first and second stage plus the weight/pull.
     
  15. Pete E

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    That's good to know about the trigger, I just need to find someone in the Chester /Oswestry area now who stocks the 85TXH so I can have a try before buying.

    Re fixed power scopes, I know a guy in the States who is into long range shooting and he rings steel plates out in excess of 800yards using a 6x42mm scope although I suspect he has far better eye sight than me!

    Excepting certain specialised applications like FT, I don't think there is much a 6x42mm won't do on an air rifle. Just been looking on line at the Nikko Stering Mountmaster 6x40AO, and will probably go far that if the glass is half way decent. That then leaves me a little budget left for a rifle slip and other odds and sods..

    Regards

    Peter
     
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    One more quick question..how does the Hatsan Striker Edge compare to the 85TXH? I ask because I've seen a Striker Edge for £117 online..
     
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    Same soup different tin! Basically the 55/60 mechanism in a different stock, same trigger, spring etc!
     
  18. Pete E

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    Thanks for that..the only problem is I can't find any locally to take a look at..

    Its seems that locally, in this price range /style of rifle, most shops are carrying the Stoeger X10, the Gammo Whisper and the BSA Hornet...I've no idea on the quality of these so will have to read further..

    Regards

    Peter
     
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    The Stoeger is pretty good,not sure if it's quite as good as the Hatsan,I would give the Gamo and BSA a miss though.
     
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