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Logun MkII and S16 Prototypes

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 93bm, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. 93bm

    93bm Member

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    Hi, I'm the grandson of James Hogan - the original designer and manufacturer of Logun airguns.

    He's asked me to share with you this photo of the original MkII and S16 rifle prototypes. We're going to get some better images soon, I think.

    image.jpg

    He's also willing to answer any questions he can for you guys.

    Thanks, Billy.
     
  2. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    ok I have a question,
    if FX/RWS could make a grip shift loading system on their gun's storm /cutless etc, why couldn't he make the s16 pump action like it was first set out to be?
     
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    Hi billy not spoken to jim for a few months hope all is well

    And to anyone else i have handled both these rifles ! Quality engineering not mass production by any means

    Give jim my regards please billy

    Paul p
     
  4. 93bm

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    "Anything that cocks forward of the trigger is section 5, hence it was originally designed this way, but had to be destroyed" -James
     
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    Grumpyoldman Very Active

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    This is an awesome thread :up: Hi my Grandad is :eek::eek::up: Relay looking forward to following this one great pics and info already and Grumps is not easily impressed . Ask around :rolleyes::cool:
     
  6. the logun-ator

    the logun-ator "can i,? wey aye man!"

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    im sure they wernt illegal then,and there still not now...well for the time being anyway.
    taken from ''know your law air weapons 2012''
    and i quote''
    NB: Although it was not Parliament’s intention that any low powered air weapons should be banned by
    the 1997 Acts, there is now considerable uncertainty as to whether a rifled airgun of the description
    covered by 5(1)(ab) has become prohibited even though it may be a very low powered weapon not
    hitherto held on certificate.
    The Home Office have consulted ACPO and the Crown Prosecution Service about the legal status of
    these weapons and have agreed, in the absence of a court ruling, that the issue should be resolved
    formally at the next legislative opportunity. In the meantime chief officers are advised that self-loading
    or pump-action rifled airguns should continue to be regarded as falling outside the certification process
    provided that they are low powered and do not fall within the Firearms (Dangerous Air
    Weapons) Rules 1969.

    end quote


    doesnt that mean they can still be used??
     
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  7. 93bm

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    I believe it's legal for a rifle such as this to be "rear-of-the-trigger-cocking", but if you were to have something such as a pump action rifle that cocks forward of the trigger, then that, in this instance for reasons unknown to me (I'll ask James next week) is, or would have been a section 5 rifle.
     
  8. 93bm

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    Haha, great stuff. Thanks! I'll be sure to update with what I can and when I can. :)
     
  9. vitalich

    vitalich Keyboard Hero

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    mk!!

    Was the logun mk!! Based on axsor parts and experience?
     
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    I shot the original S16 with the pump action it was lots of fun to use. Jim showed the gun to his FLO who had no problem with it until he went back to the office, did some checks and changed his mind. Jim got a visit the next day and was strongly advised to discontinue it or he would have his collar felt.:D
     
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    Then what about the MMC cocking on ultras/hornets?
     
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    & Hi Billy -welcome to the forum.
     
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    The mmc ultra is not a single stage loader it has a separate pellet probe so does not apply so therfore
    Is not cocked and loaded by the front mmc knob

    Hope this helps

    Paul
     
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    Aah! Obvious now you say it:eek: cheers Paul.
     
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    jjones Well-Known Member

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    nice pictures!
     
  16. The Robin

    The Robin Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Great thread and will be following this :up:
     
  17. Clubshot

    Clubshot Clubshot

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    My Skan Swift is Front Grip load and cock and Legal ?

    Was issues but accepted well over ten years ago -

    BOB/R
     
  18. the logun-ator

    the logun-ator "can i,? wey aye man!"

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    as was the skan AR 96 shot,the model before the swift..
    i ''think'' why they had it in for james is that it had quite a bit promotion before it came in to production so ''they '' had a chance to put a stop to it before they were released.,ive an AIRGUNNER mag with a 2 page spread showing it in pump action.(can be seen here via our site)
    http://www.loguns16.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/S16-Air-Gunner-magazine-article.pdf
    i believe there was a good 10'000 s16's made,i also beleive there would have been lots more if the users actually knew how to cock and load them corectally.
    most most didnt click the ''speedloc'' bolt home and it failed to fire,they then cocked it again double loading it and then the jams occurred...nothing to do with the design,simple user error...but that was it,word got round that cos ''fat bloke down the pub'' jammed it up then everyone jumped on the band wagon..shame really,i love mine,all 6 of them including a pump action one which according to the reply i did earlyer is still quite legal,for now anyway.
    SKan ,on the other hand kept his quiet,and they were slipped out under the radar...
     
  19. the logun-ator

    the logun-ator "can i,? wey aye man!"

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    Billy,whilst you on here this is prob the only time any of us will be able to ask ''MR HOGAN'' himself any questions,i mean hes on facebook,hes in a couple of my forums,but hes a man of few words...all weve getten is ''hi james hogan';...lol
    anyway ive a couple of questions you can put to him please if you dont mind.

    question 1
    the very early ones(i class them as the mk1),earlyest ive had was no9 from the production line,the ''logun'' was embossed in then painted.the finnish was a lot better quality than the later ones.blackening was a lot deeper,the feel was a lot smoother than the later ones....why?
    question 2
    were they all built in england?.,i believe the later ones were built in a Serbian factory that specializes in hydrolic pumps,is this correct?
    question 3
    ...why did you stop production?

    i had pretty much every logun model there was,apart from the pro,but most were destroyed in my workshop fire last year.

    thats about it really...youll always be welcome on my forum/site after all if it wasnt for you,we wouldnt be there :)

    http://www.loguns16.co.uk/
     
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    I'll pass this on when I next see him. I can tell you that he stopped production due to family problems.
    - Billy.
     

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