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List Of Air Rifle Tuners ? With So Many Posts On This Subject Why So Few In Uk Do This Work,

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by ratman60, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. ratman60

    ratman60 Very Active

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    hello, what do the forum members view the above, Nick (tinbum) has by my thought made a good company from small beginnings, yet there are so few who actually fit and tune air rifles for those who do not wish to do them selves for what ever reason, i am looking on spring rifles, so why are there not more people taking up this type of work,?
     
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    For a minority sport/hobby there are plenty of people out there doing it, some well known others a well kept secret. Some are better than others which is why the same few names keep cropping up in recommendations.
     
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  3. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    There are so many who specialise and do not advertise their work though, KevG at Doncaster is a go to guy for Rapids, Del Kay Lincs is a Super Ten specialist (but does work on other PCPs too for example the R10), my go to Daystate Service Agent and spring gun tuner is Vince Jarey at Terrington St Clement, the last two will be unknown to many but both are excellent tuners.
     
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    Guloluseus Could I hit it again? You'll never know :)

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    Really and truly? Probably because there is next to no money in it. a lot fo people here (and i include myself, although by no means particularly good) will use drop inb kits, make new part,s, polish things till they gleam, and generally get the best they can out of a gun. Chances are it will take a day or two to do a good job. If you look at the prices flying around, that get you about 5 quid an hour, not including parts!
    now, I am not casting at anyone who offers a service, because at that point, you have the machinery, templates and knowledge to be able to do things a lot quicker. However the market just wont stand too many people before someone offer s a 5% discount to get work, and it goes the way of everything else- low prices for 2 months then everyone out of business.

    I am more than happy to help anyone with a gun, partly as I enjoy it, partly as I've had help and want to pass it on, but if I charged for my time it would be a lot more than someone would want to pay, and i suppose a lot here are the same- its a hobby, not a job.
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Why don't we ask the mods to create a sticky thread? We could list people we know who tune guns.
     
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    To make a living at being a gunsmith you would need to charge a rate that not only pays your wages but covers the costs of materials, machines, tooling and testing. The problem is that rate would be so high it would be too expensive for most people.

    I think that the mainstay of tinbum’s business is drop in kits for diy fitting, once the correct sizes, materials and machining sequencing has be sorted then making a “batch” of parts is much more cost effective.

    Making a “one off” to repair a gun is way more costly.

    Bb
     
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    hello, a gunsmith is a term in the trade more associated with making shotguns, an air rifle tuner would need some engineering skills but even the most basic air rifle can be fitted with a tune kit and a few tools, yet there are many who are willing to pay that is why i asked the question,
     
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    El Caro Keyboard Hero

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    Another cost consideration is the need to become registered as a firearms dealer. Even keeping to non FAC repairs and tuning can be taken by stricter authorities as breaking the VCR laws if a couple of rifles from "my own collection" are sold. One or two have found out in the past including a well respected supplier of tuning kits, now an RFD.
     
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    hello, now that is an interesting addition to my post, cheers
     
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    What about Blackmax & Shauny on here ??? I'm not 100% sure whether they do much work for others or just work on their own guns ???

    Or there's SFS, Sandwell Field Sports in Birmingham.
     
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    Had first class work on a couple of HW 100’s courtesy of Blackmax, as have others
     
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    Andy (@Blackmax) sorted my new, out of the box, HW77k for me, including fitting the inevitable TbT kit and its great.

    In fact he was happy for me to watch, and learn, the strip-down and deburring process too. I may well have a go myself at my next gun (its inevitable that there will be one sometime), and while I already have/had basic engineering skills and equipment, I will only ever use what I learned to work on my own guns. One of my life rules is not to seek profit out of a friends generosity...
     
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    You might as well have a go yourself then if you've got some basic engineering skills & have picked up some tips. There's quite a good guide to stripping the HW97 on the forum somewhere & there's plenty of videos on youtube for other guns. If you did a TX200 or something & took some photos, you could start a thread on it here, which will help others do the same. :thumb:
     
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    pjgtech Better than a Poke in the . . . . . Ouch!

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    The previous thread above only seems to be for AGF members, but there are loads of airgun
    fettlers of one sort or another than are not on the AGF?
     
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    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    What he said!:)

    When we make guide sets we make 200 at a time, same for all the other bits we do, our profit is in volume.
    That said, since taking on bigger premises I had a workbench that was sitting empty, that seemed a waste! so we now service and repair rifles for customers who simply don't want to do it themselves. It would be very easy to fall into the trap of taking too much on though, so we operate a "one in, one out" system and our current waiting time of two weeks is as long as I want it to get.

    I work 14+ hours a day, seven days a week (I very nearly got Easter Sunday off) and if I worked the same hours for minimum wage I would be financially better off.

    I do enjoy it though:cool:
     
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    Anyone near Wigan who service?


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  19. Guloluseus

    Guloluseus Could I hit it again? You'll never know :)

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    I'll put good money that those such as @Blackmax and @shauny will look at guns because they enjoy it, and as a favour to the community in general, and that they dont charge half of what the actual labout cost would be. I've dealings with both (and appreciated it greatly, thank you!) and I know for a fact that that if it was elsewhere it would cost a lot more.

    Purely from a time element, stripping a gun, a good polish, drop in kit, and reassemble is going ot take a morning as an absolute morning- probably a day, if you give it a good job. For a skilled trade I'd expect to be paid 20 quid an hour at least, then add parts, tax, NI, and you are looking at 300 quid - would you pay that? (Thats a general question, by the way, not to anyone in particular :) ).
    If you make parts to sell, as tinbum does, I can see where you can make money, but again, it wont be much. I've made a few kits and unless you have CNC machinery and churn them out, its a fair bit of time. Now add in broken ones, material flaws, bits that go wrong, snapped tools, and the cost of setting it up- not even allowing for initial set up costs or rent- and theres not a lot of money there.

    And as I said before, thats why most of us do it! I've made a few things for people here, and its usually material cost and postage, which I suspect is the case for most. I do things for friends because I enjoy it, and they are happy to wait - if you wanted it in a few days, trust me, its going to cost as it means taking away all my time.
    the commercial setups tend to have a fast turnaround, and without wishing to put any of them down, dont do the job we would do- the extra 5% benefit will take a lot more than 5% more time. I've had dealings with several big uns, and they do a very good job, but I guarantee if you gave it to Andy, he'd find a lot to do to improve it :)

    I find people who dont know whats involved think its a couple of hours work at most, and if you say 50 quid they dont get it and think they are being conned. you get what you pay for, either in time, money or friendship, and to be honest, its not a job thats got money in it.
     
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    I do it because I enjoy it, I haven't even covered the cost of my workshop, lathe and tools yet but you can't put a price on helping people out.

    One thing I've always said if it gets too much and I stop enjoy it, that's the moment I'll stop.
     

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