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Lets Test Our Scopes In All Price Ranges With The Box Test

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by TheNewbieShooter, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. Well after reading a thread, I seen these two posts which made me think why not try the box challenge : : with what ever scopes you have. From budget scopes to top end.
    Hopefully after this they won't be opinions as the targets should do all the talking needed looking like this. --» : :

    I obviously haven't done mine yet with the time, but I will mines a £75 nikko sterling mount master just state what scope you used with a picture of your target. Look forward to seeing some of your results
     
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    I done this test a while back with a new hawke airmax compact 3-12x40 and it was miles off:down:
     
  3. I suppose it's just a bit of fun, but you never know some results may be surprising. I thought how quite a lot on here rave about the airmax it would be pretty close
     
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    Patton Jack Reacher's big brother

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    Ive heard something similar before. The test is great, provided you can rattle out 40 shots without even minor changes to temperature, pressure and humidity.
     
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    Maybe I could suggest trying more than 10 clicks - at 20 yds this is less than 1/2" of movement on a 1/4" 100yd click.

    Good idea though. I'll try my £200 discovery 6-24x50 FFP and £100 vector optic 10-40x50..... Maybe my £30 Nikko silver crown too!
     
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    Like this idea will be interesting to see results if there's a large enough selection of scopes
    I'll give this a try over the weekend with the few ive got
     
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    I shoot at a FT club using a Hawke Frontier FFP and distances from 10 yards to 55 yards where I dial in the elevation on the scope and it's always POA/POI in favourable conditions. With my 45 yard zero, there is a total travel of 28 clicks between 10 yards and 55 yards on a 1/10 Milrad turret.
     
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    I'll try dig out the photos but I did this test a while ago on a £60 rebranded chinese scope. Used a fwb300, rested, indoors to make it as fair as possible. Scope worked perfectly IIRC
     
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    Never mind the box test. No scope I have ever owned managed to return to POI after two clicks right and two clicks back to the left. I find every scope has some backlash.
     
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    I bought a brand new Hawke 6-24x50 scope a couple of months ago and the zero shifted 18 clicks on both turrets merely by altering the focus between min focus to 50 yards. :facepalm:
    It was sent back -- the Hawke guarantee works well -- and was replaced. The new one works properly :)

    The box test sounds like a good game to play. . . Just need to wait for the gale force winds to drop to calmer conditions.
     
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    Unfortunately the appalling quality control so typical of airgun kit would probably make mince of this test. The problem is that your Hawke, or Leupold, or Viking or whatever might work perfectly on this test, and mine might not. Time and time again I have found huge differences between apparently identical scopes (or any other bit of airgun gear you like to name).

    I'm very interested in other people's experiences and always do some homework before buying anything significant, but always remember YMMV.

    Alan
     
  12. Mike Watkins

    Mike Watkins Woodgate Mike.

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    As mentioned earlier backlash is going to be the big problem here, even on the more expensive scopes.

    Backlash, in a nutshell, is the play in a mechanism between the teeth of the gears. In this case, a scope, it’s the play in the gears when you change direction. Basically it may, depending on the quality of the scope, take a couple of clicks or more for the gears to actually re-engage and start moving again in the opposite direction.

    It’s much more pronounced on larger machinery and anyone with a table saw will know that having lowered a blade it can take a whole turn to get it to start rising again.

    I’m sure someone out there could have done it better than me but hopefully it’s helped explained backlash and providing it’s not more than a couple of clicks it really isn’t a problem. (However, someone may disagree with me!)
     
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    If you shoot at long distance and dial repeatedly the first thing you should learn is to always keep posistive tension on the erector system, i.e. if you need to dial up 10 clicks, you dial up more than 10, then dial back down to the position you needed, as long as this is consistent then you should find much better repeatability as effectively you are compensating for any backlash.

    Backlash is not really an issue as above, even on a lathe as long as you know how much there is and compenstate for it consistently.
     
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    Why would I want to be clicking 10 clicks right, down, left and then up again, and then smash the scope up with a hammer if it isn’t perfectly back in zero?

    My cheap scope is zeroed nicely, so I’ll just leave it where it is.
     
  15. I wouldn't go as far as smashing it with a hammer. If it hits where you aim once zeroed I wouldn't care but it would show how different more expensive scopes work compared to cheap
     
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    I already know my Hawke Fastmount doesn’t track amazingly well, and I’m also convinced changing magnification results in a change of POI, even after I’ve returned magnification back to what it was.

    I kinda guessed a £65 scope would behave like this, and I reckon a much more expensive scope would behave like this...
     
  17. Mike Watkins

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    The more I think about it, the more I think this is a good test to do to find out the number of clicks needed to take up the backlash, however I would split it into two tests.

    I would use a piece of cardboard and take a shot at your zeroed distance. Then click ten times to the left (or right) and then click back ten times and shoot again. If it’s pellet on pellet then you haven’t got any backlash, if it isn’t, then the number of clicks it takes to get it back to where the first shot is, is the backlash. Then do the same for up and down.

    I’m supposed to be cutting the lawn this afternoon but may just have to get the old R10 out with a bit of cardboard instead!
     
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    still no pictures though?
     
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    Jay Butts Quick, put it back before anybody notices!

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    Let me get this right... shoot the bull, move ten clicks right and ten click up and take a shot then move 10 clicks left and ten clicks down and take a third shot?
     
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    What a splendid way to utilise the afternoon!
     
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