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Legislation On The Horizon

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Macv276, Feb 13, 2020 at 9:00 PM.

  1. Macv276

    Macv276 Newbie

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  2. rabbitwrecker

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    Wouldn't have made any difference...
     
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    It's a tragedy, bit the poor lad was shot with an FAC air rifle his grandfather had deliberately put over power and had bragged about. He tested to see if it was loaded by pulling the trigger with his grandchild stood in in the way.
    Changing the laws around sub 12 air guns would not have changed any of it:(
     
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    Why does it say Wales has similar laws already? I thought Wales was in line with England on Air Rifle legislation
     
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    They probably mean Scotland. No licences here (yet).
     
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    Not going to stop anyone getting a sub 12ft/lb rifle with a license or certificate and cranking it up to FAC.
     
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    It says Wales and Scotland have similar laws already, but not England.... I believe that is just incorrect
     
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    Unfortunately, I think some kind of airgun licence is inevitable, especially as the probability of some idiot being caught doing something he shouldn't with that stupid SIG semi-auto rifle increases. The best that can be done is probably to make sure that any system bought in is rationally thought out and implemented, and not just a populist knee-jerk pulled straight off the front page of the Daily Mail. Laws named after dead children unfortunately tend to be awful monstrosities baked in the fires of tabloid hysteria.
     
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    Agreed a terrible tragedy and so sad when a life so young is ended so unnecessarily. However they are campaigning for licensing of sub 12 guns and that one had been illegally modified to over 12 without any FAC application. If Stanley's law had been in before the grandfather bought the gun then yes he would probably have had a license for it but how would this have prevented the illegal modification he did? It was illegal then and if the law comes in it will still be illegal? It changes nothing in the context of this whole sorry affair. This was down to the idiot's behaviour not the absence of a license - what are these people on? :facepalm:

    May sound harsh but when a Grandfather points a loaded airgun at his grandson in the house and discharges it I think the family needs to look a little closer to home for problems that need addressing rather than trying to convince themselves that a change in the law and bit of paper would have avoided this.

    Also how come he only got 3 years? It's always been said on here that simply possessing a 12.1fpe gun is a minimum 5 year sentence so how did he do this then also kill a child and get only 3 years? I don't care how sorry he is 3 years is not long enough imo. :down:
     
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    There already was laws in place but the old codger thought he was above them.
    Plus being stupid enough to not know he'd cocked & loaded it & not being muzzle aware, all these caused his grandsons death.
    As tragic as it is its not my fault, if I thought getting a licence would've stopped it then I'd get one, but idiots often create situations that end with tragedy.
     
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    The BBC “Look North” reporters have been describing the rifle as an “unlicensed air rifle” all day.

    Technically correct in a very narrow legal sense but mainly just misinforming the plebs about the current laws.

    As above, very sad but an idiot was to blame here and no law would have saved the lad from that.
     
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    It is 5yrs for prohibited weapons.
    Ie Mac 10, machine pistols flamethrowers and handgrenades etc...not 12.1 or even100 ftlb airguns, shotguns...unless sawn off or even cartridge guns...as none of them are prohibited.
    Judges discretion on other matters which takes mitigation into consideration whereas there is none for say ..automatic weapons ..just the 5yr minimum.
     
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    it was illegal plain and simple i feel for the mother and the childs family and for him , a life cut short by someone who was a total f--k whit , something is not rite with this case i find it hard to believe someone could be so stupid to do what the grandfather did regardless of it being fac .
     
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    Doing something because it feels good to do doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do, this is why we end up with speed cameras on motorways, antiquated drug laws and licensing on sub 12 ft lb rifles in Scotland and soon the rest of the UK it seems.

    I dispair at the idiocy of my fellow humans, but if I have to get a licence so be it, won't change the fact I'm going to be in possession of a sub 12 air rifle, responsibly of course. But it might mean a few people who probably shouldn't have an air rifle will probably have them taken away. If you're not a criminal, have hunting permission or shoot at a club, I don't think theres anything to be worried about other than the renewal fee.
     
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    This appears to be not even a Private Members Bill (they almost never end up in law, rather they are virtue-signalling by back-bench MPs), but an MP supporting a petition. The petition, if it gets sufficient supporters, gets a debate in the House of Commons, attended by about a dozen MPs, and/or a written response from the government, and then, nothing. No change to the law.

    So, nothing to see here, move on.

    And, yes, it was an awful tragedy, and the guy who made the gun and then fired it was at so many levels an irresponsible idiot d1ckhead and deserves to be, and hopefully has been, jailed. Because his irresponsible idiocy was already illegal. That is the key thing.
     
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    They ought to licence fecktards not sub12 air rifles.

    If licensing comes, then so be it. Another knee jerk reaction to a sad event, that won't prevent the same thing happening again.

    Having said that, I know a couple of folk with FAC, that I wouldn't trust with a tin opener.
     
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    i agree with a lot of that but look at scotland the money and effort would have been better spent tackling the drugs issue that 99% of serious crime stems from , the start of it in scotland was some druggie taking pot shots out of a flat window at passers by , i'm 100% certain that if he needed a licence it would have stopped him - it's like blaming the car and not the driver .
     
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    If any legislation is implemented I wonder how in depth it would be. Pointless to ponder the 'what-ifs' I know but I've read about airgunners in Scotland who have behaved themselves their whole lives then been refused an airgun licence due to receiving medication for depression. I've been owning and shooting airguns for over 40 years without incident. I also have no criminal convictions of any kind ever, even traffic offences. But I'm prescribed Fluoxitin long term for general low mood. Will that mean I'm suddenly deemed a risk at the application stage, after 52 years of proving I'm clearly not?

    Bit worrying really. :(
     
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    Same old same old , change the law for the law abiding and ignore the large percentage of morons and scumbags that walk amongst us freely .

    a tragedy for the little boy whose name is sadly now being used as a mere politicians pawn so they can get noticed and get another rung up the pay grade ladder and newspapers that I wouldn’t wipe my arse with have some some click bait ill informed BS to publish .
     
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    When they first introduced it here in Scotland , the police did not want it , as it would just make more work for them .
    The thing is it will never effect those who are the wrong ones who shoot at old ladies out of there bedroom window , or shoot at cats .
     
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