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Question legality of exploding/shaped charge pellets?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by jimmyhackers, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. jimmyhackers

    jimmyhackers Well-Known Member

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    seen a few people making an explosive pellet out of toy gun caps, a steel bb and some super glue on youtube. you end up with an exploding pellet that can drive a steel bb further into your target, kinda like shape charge, copper spike, sabot, krakatoah thing.

    i "havn't" tried that as i figure its illegal.;)

    but is there some kind of firearms certificate that "qualifies" me to do so? or is it a flat out ban?

    as a heads up to myself can people tell me now if i should discontinue this line of enquiry on the forum?
    im new and do not want to be banned straight off by people mistaking my inquisitiveness as malicious or dodgey intent.

    id like to discuss my experimentations finding on here with like minded people but i also dont want to go to prison.

    thanks in advance for your replies
    jim
     
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    all I can say is be careful
     
  3. r10hunter

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    It's section 5 prohibited. But possible to own on fac if you have a reason, not that you will find a valid reason in the eyes of the government.

    I am sure the law was written more for large centre fire bullets than airrifle pellets but as above technically illegal so take care.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    whitevanman574 bell target champion

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    where in law does it say prohibited with airguns. I can not find it either
     
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    Any projectile with an explosive charge in it is not allowed under the act.

    "5(1)(b), and, if capable of being used with a firearm of any description, any grenade, bomb (or other like missile), or rocket or shell designed to explode as aforesaid, e.g. ammunition containing explosive in the bullets or missiles."
    Cheers Andy
     
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    rabbitraider1 Engaging Member

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    Its one of those things that probably wouldn't be bothered with unless you were unlucky/something went wrong (e.g. someone got injured)
    Then the law would use your arse as a target for its own exploding projectile :p
     
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    So just to be clear you think there might be people on here who're interested in the possibility of you using a gun illegally (if you haven't done it already) and either encouraging or aiding you to do so?

    Personally I think you're asking for the wrong kind of help.
     
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    He hasn't done anything yet because there's a possibility it is illegal.

    If it isn't illegal he would like to experiment and show his findings but he won't yet because it may well be illegal and could land him in prison,pretty responsible if you ask me.
     
  9. whitevanman574

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    mmmm riddled with the usual nonsense the law as its not a missile ,grenade .bomb or rocket but its an answer that anyone can use for there own ends I suppose . I have never heard anyone charge with it not that it wouldn't happen ,suppose its just not up to now
     
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    Just1 question....

    Why!?

    You can buy sabot type rounds legally, They did not explode but did have a huge punch through power.
    Made some called Thumderbolts I think they were called but they were inacurate as hell and totally useless in terms of a useable pellet.
    I have also seen people glue BB's in the end of Hollow points to have the same effect with the same issues.

    If I were you I would forget the whole idea, Stick to known legal pellets and ones that do a more effective job.
     
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    its nothing new... we were doing it as kids 30 years ago (when caps had much more "pop") like all the other "gimmicky" pellets i can honestly say it did nothing to improve accuracy/consistency and i could see no benefits regarding penetration in anything i shot!... but then we were just kids and it kept us busy "experimenting"
     
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    Thunderbolts are Domed Heads -

    Dynamic XP2's are Dimple head - And used by many that control around Water Sources - where Lead Pellets should not be fired into -

    Thunderbolts & Dynamics are currently made from worked Zinc -

    A Pildriver makes a small impact hole - but weight behind 21.00 Grains in .177 tends to make larger exit hole on hotting bone etc -

    I am sure that No round is allowed to explode on impact - break up for faster entry - death - But not explode - using a charge

    Air Gun of Full bore round -

    BOB/R
     
  13. Titchgamer

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    Yes you are right Bob,wasnt Thunderbolts. Allthough the name eludes me at the min and google cant find them LOL
    Was definatly Firebolts, Thunder Balls or something similar I cant recall.
    They used to come in a black and red bullet shaped tub and were basically a zinc hollow head with a copper or steel BB in the head.
    Think I still have a tub of them buried somewhere.
     
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    As Bob says, not even in full bore. Before he retired a gunsmith friend of mine invited me to the army ranges at Sennybridge where I was given the opportunity to shoot his 50cal rifle. I was allowed to use tracer and spotter (the tail of the bullet contained something that goes up in smoke on impact) but he said that only the armed forces were allowed to use exploding bullets or armour piercing rounds.
     
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    Sussex SABO tich. Collectors items now.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Titchgamer

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    Nope not them, but similar things lol
     
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    but then again you can not shoot anything that goes bang. but you could shoot at say 22 blanks with an airgun , in say a piece of wood and that would be legal :D
     
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    This^^^^
    Or get some firebird targets if you want something that goes bang when you shoot at it. http://www.firebirdtargetshop.co.uk/airflash-standard.html
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Not sure about the law so don't do this [video=youtube;ufaPDZoAkmE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufaPDZoAkmE[/video]
     
  20. jimmyhackers

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    thanks for the repies. oh the irony......

    in the uk i can have (and do have ) a fullsized crossbow that has the possibility to go in and out of a mans skull silently from range, with no need for registration or licensing. but im not allowed to put a single childrens toy gun caps worth of armstrongs mixture inside a 177 pellet.

    but im allowed to shoot at things that explode. :s england is crazy

    again for arguments sake......will a forum admin kick me off this website if i do post results. pictures?
    let me know please im itching at the possiblity.

    also i think the pelets your on about are h+n hornets... they seem the best kinda "armour pericing ones"

    and one more tangent. is a lighter flint tipped pellet classed as an illegal round?
     

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