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Legal definition of loaded ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Westphalian, May 16, 2014.

  1. Westphalian

    Westphalian Donator

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    Is an air rifle loaded if the multishot magazine is in situ but barrel empty? I walk the 250 m to my perm on a public footpath, rifle uncovered and magazine in but for safety's sake obviously chamber empty. I have "good reason" to have the rifle in a public space but i see carrying a loaded weapon in public is illegal.
     
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    If there is a pellet in the magazine it is loaded!
     
  3. stevemandm

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    if the magazine is insitu with pellets in, you're loaded. if it's singleshot and there's a pellet in the breech, you're loaded.
    in your case, carry the rifle as normal, with the magazine in your pocket , away from the rifle
     
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    Get a gun bag. Keep your gun in it until you get to your perm. Keep pellets totally separate from your rifle until your ready to shoot.
    This isn't law, just common sense. Why walk in public with an unsheathed potentially loaded gun?
    Doesn't really give a good impression.
    All just my opinion of course. :)
     
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    Have to agree with the above, I just can't see any just or sensible reason to carry a gun in public without it being in a gunbag.
     
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    You are perfectly entitled to have your gun loaded not in a slip and shoot off of the public footpath If the public footpath is running through your permission.

    If the footpath does not run through your permission as said take the mag out and think about a fold up slip.
    Cheers Andy
     
  7. Westphalian

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    It does run thru my perm, about 1 in 30 meet a dog walker. I have a gunbag but never use it as my perm surrounds my garden, i shoot from my garden if i happen upon a rabbit but one of my ambushes is only 250m away along a public footpath so from now on will carry the mag in my pocket. Cheers guys. Here right now waiting for the last light to slip away playing on my iphone ;-)
     
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    No need to use a slip or remove the mag or unload the gun.
    Just stalk along the footpath and take a shot if safe to do so.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I wouldn't want to argue with what you have said, but.................I think you might be in deep poo if a member of the public, claimed to have been distressed or frightened by your actions and made a complaint and a statement to that effect to the police.

    However I am very happy to be reassured that I am wrong.:)
     
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    Yes, in that state it is considered 'loaded' if one is up the spout and cocked it's 'loaded and made ready' Both will land you in trouble if you're not on your permission. When I travel with my airguns I unload the pellets from the magazine also, because a copper who's keen could have you in for carrying with intent etc etc I don't know the wording and I never want to hear it myself! ;). Best to play safe and give no reason for arrest.
     
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    I am afraid you are wrong. It's completely legal to shoot on a footpath crossing land you have permission to shoot on, as long as you do so safely. A member of the public must not hinder your shooting and you must allow them to pass freely.
    We stand ten shotgunners on a footpath and drive game birds over them it's completely legal. I walk on our footpaths all the time with loaded guns and regularly shoot off of them.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Furrinuff!:)
     
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    Just to reiterate. If there is a pellet in the magazine, it does not matter if the magazine is in the gun or not, the gun is legally classed as being loaded!
     
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    where does it say that then?
     
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    So it seems i'm ok with what i do on the footpath ON my perm. Off perm, it seems it is illegal to carry a magazine with pellets in even if it in your pocket. I wonder how many of us make the effort to carry empty magazines plus loose pellets (or in a pellet holder) and only load the mag once at the perm?
     
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    Without intending arguing the toss, an airgun is the same as FAC in the eyes of the law and to to all intents and purpose, it's classed as a firearm. You cannot carry loaded mags around for FAC and I doubt the law distinguishes between the two. Moley's point is valid if not a little abrupt and I wouldn't want to get into a bun fight in a court room with some clever Rupert barrister over wordings. 'Armed with intent' might be a charge if found with a mag loaded. Better to play the game abide by the rues and common sense and enjoy the sport IMO. :)
     
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    i not disputing it, just interested to read the exact words. Is it contained in the Firearms Act?
     
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    The range master at our local club gave a guy a telling off (not a bollocking, just a friendly word) as he turned up with his rifle in its bag and a loaded magazine in his pocket. He'd crossed public areas to get to the range so my take on it is if there's pellets in a magazine and you have both the magazine & gun it's for in your possession at the same time then you're breaking the law (assuming you're in a public area that you don't have permission to shoot on) and the same goes if you have a pellet in the breech of a single shot PCP, springer (or whatever the powerplant of the rifle is) even if the gun's not cocked.
     
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    Yes, Andy's right; the fifty feet etc etc applies to highways, not rights of way. Andy's pulled me up on this in the past and when I checked it he was correct.
     
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    I personally do not carry a loaded Gun Accross Public Access -

    As advised by Police Fire Arms Officers I shoot with it's Deamed Illigeal -

    Comes down to the day of a Officer finding a loaded Gun on Public access - How He and his collegues decided to deal with issue

    As there seems no Standard answer amongst UK Many Police forces -

    BOB/R
     

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