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Kral Puncher Breaker Bullpup Vs Ultra Se ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by grobbo, Oct 3, 2019.

  1. grobbo

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    Hi folks

    I'a generally a backgarden plinker having recently (last year) acquired a BSA Ultra SE .177.

    I'm very pleased with the rifle and have no gripes about it other than the cylinder could be bigger, but having said that the reason I like it is for its shortness and compactness so I dont want to fit a bigger tube. But, I recently got an itch I cant scratch when I started looking at the Kral Bullpup. Basically, I just like how it looks! but also, it appears to have about 4 x the shot capacity of the Ultra.

    Might sound like a daft idea to the more experienced of you out there who have handled more rifles than me, but i seriously considering looking for a swap. I cant justify two guns for the amount of times I use it so the ultra would need to go.

    a. what do they compare like against each other
    b. do you think there would be anyone out there looking for a (hopefully straight) swap.

    Graeme
     
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    no country members Tooled up tool

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    Keep the Ultra and save up some money to put with it towards a second hand Wildcat or Uragan. Or Lelya or Vulcan.
     
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    i just got ultra in 22 for my lad very good it is as well i would do as no country says save the dosh as its not as nice as the ultra i just on with reging my ultra get a good few more shots out it if you do
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    I think most people are going to say stick with the ultra, you're shooting at home so won't be stuck out on a farm with no air due to small capacity, you just charge it!
    The ultra is arguably the better gun, but I know how you feel, I might sell mine for the same reason (plus its a single shot).
     
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    Never had an ultra but I did have a mk1 puncher breaker and couldn't fault it to be honest ,
    I fitted lane reg and a lighter hammer spring for even better shot count and consistency. .... nice and accurate
    Only thing I'd say negative was the weight .... little on the heavy side
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    Nothing wrong with heavy rifles
     
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    Stick a bigger cylinder on the ultra?
     
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    I can feel a whole boat load of regret coming if you get rid of the Ultra for that Kral.
    But sometimes, we just have to scratch an itch.

    Personally, I'd try to keep the Ultra and save up for the Kral, then bin which you don't want after a good try out
     
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    I had both at the same time. Ultra is the favourite, but it is airtech tuned and long cylinder.
    Couldn't fault the function of the Kral, but just couldn't get comfy with the stock, so ended up selling it.
    Now have a FX Wildcat, which I find suits me perfectly...
     
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    Ooh, this is a tough one - I'm not sure that I can bring myself to say it.
    .............. keep the Ul, Ul, Ult, Ul, Ult - ah fuckitbuyagamo :D
     
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    The Gamo is basically a BSA with a Gamo badge. I had a couple of Kral's & both went back because of build quality. Stick with the Ultra & save up to get a Gamo. Good luck with whichever way you go.
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    Have you looked at the Kozak yet?
     
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    stay with ultra i have two .177 multy .22 single shot, the .177 has had the up grade 325 cylinder huma reg and all the bits with it even polish the barrel both ends and can not fault it. but if you have that scratch well ????????.
     
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    From the "budget line up" I had both a P15 (.177) and a Webley (.22). Personally I suspect Webley to be manufactured at the same factory as Kral, Pardus and Pallas and probably a few more. Minor differences and a different label.

    Both the P15 and the Webley were really bad out of the box. After putting in a lot of time and affection, the P15 turned into a great little bullpup. I'd recommend it when you are willing to work on it. The Webley had a fantastic looking walnut stock. However, I had some issues with the valve and valve housing. It was really rough and required a lot of time cleaning and polishing. And even then it just wasn't anywhere near as good as other airguns I own(ed).

    Now I also have a sub 12 JB blueprinted Ultra Se , a Wildcat Mk2 (FAC) an Airwolf and a R-10 in .25. None of the so called "budget airguns" I owned, come close to the quality, accuracy and consistency of those guns. I didn't expect that anyway and therefore had great fun with them before selling them.

    When you want a nice garden plinker and are willing to put effort into it... go for it. Just don't expect it to be as good as a FX, Air arms, daystate, BSA. On the other hand. They're not prized like FX or Daystate too ;)

    Just my 2 cents... ;)

    Ps. I do like the look of the Puncher breaker. Maybe sometime in the future...
     
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    I have BSAs and I have Evanixes that are supposed to be better (original?) version of Kral. For 12 fpe gun I would definitely go for BSA. Evanix is a bit agricultural powerhouse that works well at 100+ fpe but for 12 fpe it just can't meet the finesse of BSA.
     
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    I recently sold my Ultra SE and have to say it’s the biggest regret regarding an airgun sale in my life.

    Having played with a few Kral rifles it’s obvious that the QC is not the same as BSA even though they aren’t the best regarded at times.

    The ultra is a fine rifle and will serve you well for years to come while a Kral will spend half its time in bits being fixed or made better.

    If shot count is a big thing to you, and you already are familiar with, and like the Ultra action/design setup then I’d suggest looking at a nice R10 MK2 or SE.

    I bought a Walnut stock MK2 R10 just before I sold my ultra for the very same reason, shot count, and found it to be still very light and compact and with all the benefits and accuracy of the ultra.

    Hope whatever you chose it works out for you but if it were me, I 100% would not part with your ultra SE for a Kral, even if it was 24k gold plated.
     

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