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Kozak

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by telephonepete, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. telephonepete

    telephonepete Donator

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    I am getting rather intrigued about the kozak. What are they like and how do they compare with the hw 100. Oh and the best price would be good please.
     
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  2. bucketboy

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    Contact tonyB55, he has one.

    Bb
     
  3. rich79

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    They seem to be getting more popular, an rfd near me asked on FB if anyone would be interested if the stocked them!
     
  4. Petay

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    Can't comment on a Kozak but i do have the Hortitsia which i believe shares the same barrel, magazine system and regulator as the Kozak.

    I also have a HW100.

    Hortitsia stock is a little basic in the finish department but shoulders pretty well.

    If I had shot my Hortitsia before I bought my HW100 I would never have bought the HW100 and in reality if I didn't have so much invested in my HW100 i'd sell it on.

    The HW100 has a marginally more refined fit and feel and the cocking and magazine system are slightly better executed but its marginal.

    My Hortitsia probably groups a tad better than my Hw100 if i was being brutally honest.

    As mentioned I have not shot a Kozak so really can't comment on it but I would throughly recommend Zbroia rifles in general to people. As i have said previously they are good guns full stop and not just good guns for the money.

    As for price, can't really help as you are in the depths of the SW but speak to @dancza and see if there is anything he can do for you.
     
  5. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Having owned several HW100s and owning a Hortitsia now, I concur....
     
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  6. littleJon365

    littleJon365 Democracy unless they disagree

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    The 100 moved on when the Kozak moved in.
     
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    Wow didnt expect that. Still waiting for somebody with a Kozak. Thanks.
     
  8. The burpster

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    I’m not sure it’s a fair comparison the 100v Kozak as they are currently two different formats (carbine v bull pup).
    I own 3 100s and have played with a kozak and hortisia both of which are quality acts. They remind me of the BSA Scorpion I used to own, a little rough around the edges but undoubtedly accurate and functional especially when you factor in what they cost.
    Will they still be around and selling well and in the numbers the 100 has in 15 years? Well time will tell on that one but the 100 was so ahead of its time that in reality it’s only the last 5 years perhaps, that the rest that are still around have caught up.

    What would be a far more objective comparison would be, Kozak v Webley Mastiff v 100 Bullpup (when it emerges!).
     
  9. dancza

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    My ears are burning.. ;)

    The Kozak's are a lovely bit of kit and as Petay has mentioned they share the same barrel and magazine design as the Hortitsia. Accuracy-wise they'll happily stand up to pretty much anything out there and the adjustable cheek piece is a lovely little added bonus especially compared to most other bullpups out there that lack a cheekpiece altogether (I'm looking at you P15).

    The other nice thing about these is that although they can be spec'd with a Walther barrel the standard Ukrainian barrel is really superb and it'll save you quite a bit of dosh.

    The only minor niggle with the Kozak and the Hortitsia is that the mag cycling arm is quite thin, it won't be a problem if you load the rifle sensibly but if the mag is slammed home it can straighten the arm out. It's a simple fix but as long as you don't load the rifle like a gorilla it should be flawless.

    The triggers on the Zbroia's are lovely as well especially if you like a light trigger, if you're a bit of a target shooter like Petay though you might want to adjust it a bit out of the box as they are a bit like a light single stage to start with.

    They're cracking rifles to be honest Pete and if you're ever in the Essex area give me a shout and you can have a play with one yourself, you won't be disappointed.:thumb:
     
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    There are numerous (12 or 15) people on this forum who have the Kozak and have raved about them from accuracy, build quality, reliability, straight out the box perfect, price, etc.
    I have one, 22 short barrel. And will say the same.
    I however do not have an HW 100 to compare it with, nor anything else other than a leaky, unreliable SMK XS78 that let me down too often!
    So I am no expert at this game.
    The Kozak, in my opinion, is perfectly capable, requiring no fiddling, faffing, fettling, or ‘kin about with.
    There seem to be people who can’t believe the Kozak is that good.
    So be it.
    All I wanted was an accurate , reliable gun that looks nice and does the job. That’s what I’ve got!
     
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    But isn't the kozak a semi bullpup? So it's always going to have a cheekpiece, the P15 is a full on bullpup so you're always going to have your face on the action!
    From a unashamed P15 owner.
     
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  12. Air arms boy

    Air arms boy Wear sunscreen!

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    Can’t see the Diana Skyhawks competing with the Kozaks can you ..

    Looks like the Kozaks are taking over! Join the revolution:D (I will be getting one soon)
     
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    cant say about hw100 but the kozak is up there with the big boys (fx wildcat) for half the price.
    im really happy with my kozak owned for 5 months
     
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  14. littleJon365

    littleJon365 Democracy unless they disagree

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    I can’t fault mine. I’ve moved on other rifles as I don’t see the need for them like a Hw100 and a FX Streamline. I do like bullpups but not an out an out supporter, I still like a traditional rifle.

    Very good shot count
    Accurate
    Shoulders nice (for me)
    Doesn’t seem to be too pellet fussy, ive tried about 10 different types

    grey squizers don’t like it though.....
     
  15. Robs321

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    I have both, I like the little Kozzie for using in my pop up hide. It shoulders well, is very accurate and time will tell how reliable it is.
    The HW100 does it all as well, but has a more refined cocking system. They are two totally different guns, ill be keeping my 100 though!
     
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    I'm one who has both ( see profile pic:)) both shoot beautiful , I came to get my Kozak as I wanted a bullpup and the kozak fit the bill, I will say tho I have had mine a week and the Kozak is going back to the RFD as it's chronographing at 10.5 ftlbs and I'm only getting 40 shots from a 200bar fill that can't be right I also have issues with the shroud threads so hopefully they can all be sorted easy and with the Kozak having a 2 year manufacturer warranty if you do like me have issues your covered. But like everyone has said the Kozak is shooting well above its cost and I think the HW will take a back seat a bit from now on
     
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    Check out my review on this forum.
     
  18. snipperuk

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    Kozaks not a semi ..... it's same size if not a shade smaller than the P15
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  19. telephonepete

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    When i sold my 2 100,s i said no more pc,s. I am a bit tempted but that would mean selling 2 of my much loved springers.
     
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    Quite a few happy owners :thumb:

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