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Advice Knives and the law..

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by Nige4927, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. reaper6

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    Are you sure about not illegal to own?
     
  2. mattyts

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    You can legally own a flick knife in your own home, providing it was in your posession before the 1959 Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act, came into effect.
     
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    Be extremely old owners as they'd have to be at least 74 if they were 18 when they originally owned it.
     
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    you dont have to be 18 to own a knife, only to buy one.
     
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    everything related, since this act has been stupid, senseless and confusing (imo)


    The Prevention of Crime Act 1953 (C.14) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that restricts the carrying of offensive weapons in public. The Act was passed in response to the large rise in violent crime in the United Kingdom, with 800 cases of armed robbery, assault with intent to rob or robbery with violence and 4,445 cases of malicious wounding in 1951 (the last year up to that point with such statistics) while many of these crimes did not include the use of weapons there were calls from politicians, police officers and members of the public for new laws to combat the problem by restricting civilian weapons. Prior to the act it was not a crime to carry a weapon in a public place for offensive or defensive purposes (though carrying or using a weapon during the commission of a crime would earn a greater punishment) unless it was a firearm or imitation firearm.[SUP][1][/SUP] The Prevention of Crime Act was created to under the presumption that banning weapons from all civilians, regardless of their intention, from public places would reduce violent crime, receiving the Royal Assent on 6 May 1953 and coming into force on 6 June.[SUP][2][/SUP] No subsequent studies were carried out afterwards to ascertain what effect, if any, the act had on crime.
    Under the original Act, all weapons carried by civilians would be deemed to be offensive weapons(except those persons who were deemed to have a reasonable excuse to have a weapon for self-defence by the courts), persons found in a public place carrying an offensive weapon commits a criminal offence punishable by up to 2 years in prison. A public place includes highways and anywhere to which the public could regularly have access – such as post offices and train stations. The Act makes certain attempts to define an offensive weapon, dividing it into three categories: "articles made for causing injury to the person", such as knuckledusters and batons; "articles adapted for use for causing injury", such as a sock with a brick in it; and "articles intended for use for causing injury to the person", which would include normal, day-to-day items such as scissors. For a conviction under the third category, the prosecution must show evidence that the defendant was intending to use it as an offensive weapon.[SUP][3][/SUP] There is a defence if the defendant had "lawful authority or a reasonable excuse" for carrying the instrument. The onus to provide a reasonable excuse is on the defendant, which is unusual since English criminal law has a principle that defendants are "innocent until proven guilty".[SUP][4][/SUP]
     
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    Having read this, seems I'm really going to struggle with my hunting from now on!!!

    My shootings' so awful I thought the bottom one in the list on the 1st post with the knuckleduster might be a solution to bringing home more bunnies for the pot than me trying to shoot them .... guess that's just not an option any more :p

    I'll just have to go back to throwing boulders at them ..... in case there's a law against that unless I was born before JC himself :D
     
  7. JSB888

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    There's always the normal option that people use if they can't hit a barn door. Buy a shotgun.

    On subject, great post Nige
     
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    Considering the first line of the act: The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Orders 1988, 2002 and 2004 prohibit the possession and importation of: I don't think I would want to test that...

    It does not state any context for the possession i.e. home, out and about, just simply possession......

     
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    Does anyone know if an opinel is a legal carry or would it class as a locking blade?
     
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    If it locks it's a locking blade, so you would need good reason to have it on you.
     
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    how about the assisted opening knives that you can buy? legal or not? as they dont use a conventional spring i think they are legal as they can be bought here in some shops
     
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    A very interesting and claryfying post Nige, Thanks.
     
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    If it has the locking collar, it's a locking blade, there are models without though.
     
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    they are legal but not edc ((usually) due to lock. however, the lock spring can be removed and ground to an angle, this means that the knife can be folded. the lock is held by the finger automatically in use so doesn't really affect useage. and of course so long as blade is under 3". mine is a little over, but a grinding will cure that.
     
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    Nice, I'm a bit confused about owning a Samurai ' sword. I understood if it was an antique, you're ok. Otherwise it's a prohibited weapon. If so, why are they still so freely available?
     
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    Samurai and other curved Swords - On April 6th 2008 a law came into effect banning samurai and other curved swords with a blade length of 50cm or more, there are some exceptions for registered martial artists, re-enactors and even certain genuine Japanese swords.*

    An amendment to this act was passed, which came into effect on the 1st of August 2008, which allows curved and samurai swords which are handmade using traditional forging/production methods to be sold without a license*

    From the Blades UK website.
     
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    This is another one of the prime examples of how UK law is an ass......WTF does it matter how its made? It causes the same potential damage. And who decided that a curved 50cm blade was more lethal than a straight 50cm blade (such as a Ninja sword)? :confused:
     
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    Thanks Matty. Kg really is a ridiculous state of affairs. Still doesn't explain why one can be bought easily, though! Perhaps our law makers haven't heard of the internet?.....
    But that's a hobby horse of mine, and it's getting late, goodnight all!
     
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    Funny this topic....
    I was given a springloaded flick knife with a 5 inch blade, yes given by a friend of mine, who is with the metropolitan police, so a copper made me a criminal....LOL.
    I have to say its a bloody nice knife and use it for work daily :)
     
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    What does edc stand for,pardon my ignorance?
     

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