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Jammed P08!

Discussion in 'Technical' started by TheArmedBear, Oct 20, 2019.

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  1. TheArmedBear

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    I won't be buying any more BB replicas... But I am trying to fix & maintain the ones I already have..... The Luger is completely jammed! I can't field strip it probably because the top won't come off the frame. There are no wedged BB's in the actual barrel... the toggle has some movement but won't lie flush. Even taking the trigger out, I can't find a way to get into it.... Any suggestions?

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    Push a pin through the toggle arm pivot, and it should send out the linking pin. That should help the blowback unit to slide forward. There's likely a bb lodged inside the blowback unit

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    Cheers... I'll give it a go
     
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    On closer inspection, it appears there is a screw that needs removing before the pivot pin can be pushed out from the right-side of the pistol

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    Yes indeed... discovered that! Got the toggle apart now... a little spring came out too, still can't get the top off the frame.
    I'm sure I found a YouTube vid of a complete strip down of a P08 a while ago... Think I'll hunt it down tomorrow... Looks like I will need to take more bits off! Going to leave it till the light of day for now... Determined to get to the bottom of it!... thanks for your help so far!
     
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    Hope you manage to get it sorted :)
     
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    Thought I'd give some CPR to this thread!
    Update:
    I ended up with my P08 in bits... Almost every part was separated... & there's a lot of them!
    Still couldn't get the top off the frame!... So frustrating... So I left it in a box for a while.
    Came back to it last night & although it was a daunting task... I cracked on & had a go.
    Actually completely managed to get it apart! ..at some point a couple of bb's fell out
    Was really chuffed when I got it back together! ...but there is something wrong with the blowback unit, it looked like it wasn't sitting right when it was on it's own but I just couldn't work out what needed to happen (the spring seemed fine) ..so lightly oiled everything & stuck it together.
    The toggle works but needs pushing back to lie flush before dry firing ...just a bit sticky... Not put any c02 through it yet.. don't think it will work.... I guess it would be hard to get a replacement blowback bit? ...any thoughts?
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    It is losening up, slowly... the more I cock & click.... but something isn't right...
    Anyone had any experience of fixing these particular KWC P08 replicas?

    Bump!
     
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    It's a bit of a pain but you could strip it down again and check for any witness marks where something is rubbing where it shouldn't ;)
     
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    These can sometimes be a bit tricky to strip. The rookie mistake to make is leaving the mag in while field stripping. It deffo won't strip with the mag in place. Second, the take down lever is sometimes over sized and needs to be removed to allow the "Slide" and toggle ass'y to slide off the front. (Watch out for the tiny ball and spring!). What you shouldn't be doing is stripping the toggle unit before removing the slide. Once stripped it will be easy to see which parts are galling. I normally give all sliding/pivoting parts a polish and a coat of oil/thin grease. Use mineral based for metal to metal contact and silicone for all things CO2/plastic (No mineral oil anywhere near the seals!).Don't forget to look inside the plastic barrel of the blowback unit for BBs that may have entered the nozzle. The Umarex legends and KWC stuff seems to prefer the silver Umarex BBs to the likes of Crosman and SMK.
    It is also worth giving the mag a polish inside and out with a small dab of molly grease on a cloth.They feed better and are smoother to change. ;)
     
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    I will be stripping it again!. Made the big mistake of putting c02 through it ... without bb's... Thought it would help but no!
    It spat out a little bit that belongs to the blowback unit! IMG_20200308_163434731~4.jpg
     
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    Has it gone back together ok?
     
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    Haven't had a chance to do it yet... Watch this space!;)
     
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    If you need spares, you can try KWC direct - they "sometimes" get back to you.
    Skypro Airsoft who used to do KWC spares appear to have vanished?

    That looks like part F07, which attaches to the top of the loading nozzle. From the pic it doesn't look broken either, just looks like it's become detached. It clips in place.
    Without looking personally, it "may" be an easy fix.

    Found a loading nozzle if that's damaged...

    https://www.begadi.com/kwc-p08-kcb-...ding-nozzle.html?___store=en&___from_store=de

    This is KWC direct if no luck elsewhere...

    sales@kwcgun.com
     
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    That's really helpful., I'll see how it goes... :)
     
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    Definitely need a new loading nozzle... Spring is broken inside.....
    Thanks for the links garryt!.. ..I want to get this pistol working!
     

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    This is more complicated than I thought!....

    Not only do I need a new loading nozzle (P01) ..The Loading nozzle handle spring ((S11) is buggered & jammed in the breech ..unless that's the floating valve spring!? (S 15)
    & I can't get the rear loading nozzle (B01) off the back of the loading nozzle!.... Lol, I'm confusing myself now!... sure can quote the parts though!...

    even if I can't put 'em together & make it work! :eek:
     
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    it's more likely s11 is buggered than s15, although it's s15 that's more likely to be stuck in the breech (if you know what I mean)
    That's as much as I can help without seeing and touching it tbh - remote diagnosis / help can be difficult.
     
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    Any chance you could do a pic with all of the toggle parts disassembled but together (Like a 3D exploded diagram). It will be easier to see what is needed then. :thumb:
     
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    Will do as soon as I get the time... :)
     
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