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I've Never Met An Anti Before...

Discussion in 'Get it off your chest' started by Just Dave, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:07 AM.

  1. Patrick

    Patrick Donator

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    Yep if the 'antis' can't get what they want by putting pressure on the actual shooter they'll just put pressure on the farmer and his family probably by making threats or some sort of intimidation.
    Many of these 'antis', the rabid ones, are full blown hypocrites in as much in their misguided attempts to protect some species of wild life and in this case a species that doesn't need protecting and in certain cases in fact needs controlling they will resort to threats,vandalism and violence against someone or their property whose view are diametrically opposed to theirs.
     
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  2. r10hunter

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    There are also many shoots and hunts that face plastic antis week in and week out that are just out for the crack of causing trouble in anyway they can.
    Much like football hooligans in mentality they are not that bothered about the cause just the agro then off to the pub.
    The police do try but they have tactics to make it very hard for a couple of police officers to really do anything.
    Trespassing, abuse, blocking roads and tracks, criminal damage, using drones or dogs to push out cover crops, calling hounds towards main roads, threats, violence making up lies. All in a days fun then off to the pub.
     
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  3. Just Dave

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    Fox hunting with hounds is one sport that I agree with antis on. People have every right to act in extreme cases of animal abuse and having a bunch of hounds pull a fox apart whilst some toff barges down people protesters with his horse and gets away with it, throwing dead animals at cars gives us a bad name as we're lumped in with them.

    Its not even comparable to Shooting/Hunting.
     
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    I do so hope you are right. These people are not simply misguided fools they are nasty nut jobs, seriously sick sociopaths who need dealing with.
     
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    When did a hunter with all his documents, licenses and permissions in order become a MASKED or UNMASKED GUNMAN ??
    The definition of a Gunman is ...a man who uses a gun to commit a crime or terrorist act.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these guys just hunters?
    I've Never Met .jpg
     
  6. SteveO

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    Playing with words to vilify shooters and scare the public so they shake like s******g dogs at the sight of one. :up:
     
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  7. Grey Man

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    Yes.

    Given that they routinely use violence to promote their 'cause', they should be considered terrorists.
     
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    you don’t want to mate we get them regularly and some right Nasty specimens at that
     
  9. jaisalmere

    jaisalmere tweaking the nose of danger

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    Please don't fall into the antis trap of misrepresenting fox hunting.

    Hounds don't kill foxes , hounds track and mark foxes to earth, when at earth, terriers are put to earth to hold foxes at "bay" this means the terrier barks at the fox in the earth to prevent it from escaping until the terrier man and his staff can dig to the fox, the fox is then dispatched , in the earth ,with a 22 live round pistol .

    This world is being idealised and Dysneyfied, to the point where it will be frowned upon to to eat anything other than tofu and farm animals will be in farm museums .

    The "toffs" you refer to are the custodians of the land that produces the food that we eat, and the wood we build things from, and for what it's worth I never met one I didn't like.
     
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  10. r10hunter

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    Good post but.
    The digging out part of your post is now questionably illegal.

    A soft terrier is used to bolt foxes to standing shotgun shooters.
    Foxes that are flushed from cover by hounds are also shot by standing shotgunners.
     
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    I understand this,however, it erks me when I hear this "hounds ripping apart foxes" rubbish, that ended up being one of the arguments for the legislation being imposed.
     
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    Even if they did it would still be more humane than a snare or trap that we still use.
    Pure attack on the countryside and a vote buying exercise from little old lady’s.
     
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    There is no trap.
    In theory, that is fox hunting via hounds but in practice it has lead to "Foxes being ripped apart by hounds" and it has been well documented with mountains of evidence, that's what brought about legislation. It wasn't finger pointed and fear mongering, it was well documented evidence. And that evidence wouldn't be there without the Toffs abusing the sport. Toffs have themselves to blame via their attitude and callous nature.

    I'm sure every Toff is very nice and likable once you've bent the knee and kissed their boot....
     
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    I use traps and snares when I must. They are terribly inhumane. I have ways to mitigate the suffering but it’s not required by law just checking once a day.
    Even if a fox were ripped to bits by hounds it’s more humane than what is allowed.
    Replacing hunting with trapping in many areas is not a move to be more humane.

    So where is the justification in banning it ??
    Oh yes votes from people who don’t know better persuaded by anti propaganda.
     
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    I think it's the urgency of the matter that determines legality also. Traps for foxes and rabbits etc is to protect farm stocks and animals, setting a trap for a fox protects the lambs and livelihood of the farmer. With foxing via hounds, it's caged and released which is completely unnecessary. If they were truly humane, I suspect they'd put a 22. round in its head whilst its caged but letting their dogs go at it opens up the percentage risk of an inhumane kill. THAT in hunting is unacceptable IMO. The highest percentage of a humane kill must always be the only option, (for example) Headshot, then you're looking at the second option of a heart and lung shot and if that cannot be done, you sit and wait or lose the kill, otherwise it's chancing it on a body shot which is universally condemned. (And imo you shouldn't be using animals as target practice, you should be able group a 5-10p with 5 shots before you go hunting).

    Trapping isn't a sport tho, it merely serves a purpose. I don't think anybody goes out and sets traps just for kicks and giggles. Quarry is eaten or the kill prevents damage either ways. It's always unfortunate that an animal dies poorly from a snare but the snares purpose has been justified, unlike Foxing via hounds, it's a sport and completely disposable. Until a snare fails to live up to its purpose then it'll always be legal.
     
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    I can’t agree, dead foxes have been thrown to hounds to sharpen a pack but if you know anything about dogs, hounds are the wrong dog to catch live foxes, they are bred for their nose and stamina and have soft mouths like gun dogs.
    What you believe In my informed opinion is anti hunt propaganda, I have attended many hunts and they just don’t work like that.

    I am a builder, you don’t get more working class than that and yet the land owners you call “toffs” welcomed me because we are like minded people,the working class and the upper class have a lot in common,I find, hunting,shooting,fishing and dogs. It has never been necessary for me to bow and scrape, in fact the opposite is true, if you started all that obsequious rubbish you would not be invited back.
     
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    All I have to do is a simple google search to tell you, you are blatantly lying. Various of instances of you being wrong.
    So, what about the act of hunting down a fox also. Humane treatment has many definitions, firstly through pain and suffering and down the scale you'll find psychological abuse. Having an animal fight for its life for ones own amusement isn't what I'd call humane. That fox would be in constant shock and trauma, panicking as it flees for its life until it unfortunately finds a hole with a dead end and meets a grisly fate.

    Lastly, I don't want to get this thread off topic. Needless to say, this argument has had its day in court and is no longer myth or legend, it is Illegal for reasons based on evidence.
     
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    I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one :)
     
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    Exactly!!!!!!
     
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    What I have posted here is a first hand account of what used to happen on fox hunts.

    Please don’t call me a liar,simply because I have a different point of view to you.
     
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