1. The Forum Rules have undergone some minor changes and updates.  Please take the time to read them; it will only take a couple of minutes of your time. By doing so, you lessen the chance of incurring the wrath of the moderation team or making yourself look foolish to other members.

    90% of users posting adverts in the Sales forums need to be reminded to read the rules as their posts are wrong.  This is unnecessarily time-consuming and will no longer happen - if your advert doesn't follow the Sales Rules it will be deleted and you'll have to start all over again.

    To close this box once you've read it (and the Rules), click on the X in the top right-hand corner.

    Thank you.

    AGF Staff



    Dismiss Notice
  2. A reminder of one of the Forum Rules:

    'Behaviour

    Do not make inappropriate or offensive posts - including threats, harassment, swearing, prejudice, defamation, deliberate insults or name-calling, other negative remarks about this forum, its moderators and administrators or your fellow members. Even if this is just your own personal opinion, RESPECT YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS.'

    There have been changes made to our censoring software in an attempt to help with this growing problem.

    Click the X in the top-right-hand corner to dismiss this notice.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Dear members,

    Our membership (like our country) consists of people from all walks of life; different in far more ways than can be listed here and each with a different view based on their experience of life - regardless of their colour, religion or cultural heritage. Every single person in the UK has been born of mixed race – we are a multi-coloured and multi-cultural country.

    As many of you are aware there are a handful of individuals amongst this membership that persist in making provocative, inflammatory, racist and otherwise offensive comments. This has been happening across the forum to a certain degree but is most especially prevalent in the Adult section.

    The moderation team has tried to stay on top of this, however unfortunately because of the ‘offensive’ nature of much of its content we don’t monitor the Adult section quite as much as perhaps we should. As a result much of this behaviour has gone unnoticed unless it has been reported to us. While the team always intended to take a "light touch" approach to the Adult section it would seem that some people aren’t quite adult enough to be left unmonitored after all.

    This behaviour is, and always has been against Forum Rules as well as the specific stipulations of the Adults forum and it will no longer be tolerated. We feel it's time to draw a line in the sand and as such from this point onward offenders will receive an immediate and permanent ban from the forum.

    In order for us to achieve our goal of restoring the forum to the friendly and tolerant place it once was, we ask that ALL members be mindful of the content they post and help us to stop unacceptable behaviour by using the 'Report' tool at the bottom of any offending post - the results of which can be seen only by Admin/Moderators.

    You should all receive a copy of this message by PM. 

    To close this message box, click on the 'X' in the top-right-hand corner.

    Dismiss Notice
  4. Hotmail block emails from us entering your inbox. Unless you can setup a safe sender you will not get activation emails from the forum. Please use an alternative provider or complain to Hotmail.
    Hotmail addresses include.

    @Hotmail.co.uk @Hotmail.com @outlook.com @Live.com
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Postings on Politics, Religion & Controversial Off-Topic Material

    The majority of users do not want to read about these subjects and people have left the forum as a result of it – this is after all an 'Airgun' Forum. It’s all very well to say they don’t have to read it if they don't want to, but as most of us use the ‘New Posts’ button there is no easy way to avoid it.

    All AGF staff members are in favour of people being able to discuss what they want, but we have to draw the line somewhere if it is upsetting other users. We don’t want to read about these topics either.

    IMPORTANT- The discussion of politics and religion is no longer allowed anywhere on the forum (including the Adult section).  The only exception is if it's airgun related - they must be put in the Airgun Related Politics section..

    We will not tolerate bullying or personal attacks, racism or any other offensive 'isms'. we will remove these topics from the forum, we will not give you an area where you can abuse each other. We will not hesitate to ban offenders.

    To clear this text box, click on the 'X' in the top right-hand corner.

    Dismiss Notice

It Ain't Easy Being Green....

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by secretagentmole, May 10, 2019.

  1. Pugwash

    Pugwash Post apocalypse

    Messages:
    2,133
    Likes Received:
    2,198
    Location:
    Somerset
    It has its upsides but the infrastructure is nigh on impossible.
    Electricity will be the universal energy of the future. We just have to refine how to generate it and store it in a sustainable way.
     
    KeithJ23 likes this.
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    3,671
    Location:
    King's Lynn
    Gonads, tripe, toss!

    Most of the electricity in this country and in Europe is still generated by burning things. Whether it is Germany burning damned awful Lignite, idiot Brits burning wood pellets (which are not renewable and more toxic to the environment than coal is) or everybody burning gas, most is still generated by burning things, making a lot of CO2 (which if you believe what they say means we will all die tomorrow, or shortly after by being burnt to death by hotter temperatures, frozen to death by a new ice age, drowned by rising sea levels and continually wetter summers, dehydrated and starved by drought, possibly all at the same time). The problem is that electricity causes a lot of pollution at points which may not be close to major residential areas, but with stations like Drax they do not need to be.

    The problem is at night, if the wind is not blowing, most green sources of energy are not working. Storage is all well and good for the domestic user, but a town like Kettering will need a battery pack the size of Ely to keep going when the blades are not turning at night. Storage will probably never be fully addressed. The storage media (lead acid, lipo, lion etc etc) takes a lot of co2 to make.

    Green? The petrol engine is now a very efficient engine, a 1 litre engine can now do the work that a few years ago only a 1.6 litre engine could do, yet still be as efficient ore efficient than a super mini was a few years ago. The humble Ford Focus, not a small car, laden with infotainment and air conditioning (dual zone), averages 45-50mpg combined (in and out of town driving) real world mpg figures. Yes it is pumping out co2 at point of use, but it costs a lot less co2 to manufacture and a lot less co2 to refill.

    Battery powered cars are not green, but the drivers of them who think they are saving the planet just may well be.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2019
    Popgun, Blue BSA, talyllyn and 2 others like this.
  3. Pugwash

    Pugwash Post apocalypse

    Messages:
    2,133
    Likes Received:
    2,198
    Location:
    Somerset
    Pretty much says it all about the level of communication we’ve come to expect from you.
     
  4. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    3,671
    Location:
    King's Lynn
    Why? What have I said that is wrong? We are not being weaned off of burning things to make electricity at all. The level of energy supplied by renewables is still negligible and is only exaggerated in it's effect by the more efficient use of electricity industrially and domestically.

    Battery powered cars are not green, they cost more to produce in co2 than they save, so idiots who buy them to save the planet are condemning us by their hypocrisy by committing more of the Earth's finite resources to be wasted producing their transport and fuelling it.

    If you wanted to be truly green you would buy a secondhand car powered by petrol as it has already been manufactured and therefore it's cost in co2 to get to you has been minimised, rather than buying a Tesla or Nissan Leaf, which will require hell and all co2 to make. As far as fuelling goes the difference in co2 produced in the cost of the fuel petrol wins.

    Admittedly at point of use the electric vehicle wins hands down, but in terms of ecological it is unable to dig itself out of the hole.
     
    Popgun, Blue BSA and Pete236 like this.
  5. Pugwash

    Pugwash Post apocalypse

    Messages:
    2,133
    Likes Received:
    2,198
    Location:
    Somerset
    To simplify it for you, your words above say all I need to know about your level of communication and attitude to those who don’t agree with you. Yet again you have obviously read the words but completely failed to digest the message. As such I have nothing more to say to you.
    Except. Grow up.
     
    pbrown likes this.
  6. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    3,671
    Location:
    King's Lynn
    I have not, the rise in percentage of electricity provided by renewables is matched more or less by the decreased use of electricity that is attributed to more efficient usage domestically and industrially, otherwise we would be burning even more fossil fuels making the contribution by turbines and panels even more negligible. We have decreased the mount of electricity generated by approximately a tenth, at the same time that renewables have provided approximately a tenth of the electricity consumed.

    Storage developments may continue apace, but they will still be more voluminous than a gas turbine generating plant. They will still use hell and all co2 to manufacture to produce, ship and install than a turbine plant will. Yes they may deliver less co2 during their years of use than a turbine will, but if they cost more to make, transport and install, where is the ecological benefit.

    I am for using resources wisely, but I am not one for chasing ecological rainbows at the expense of the planet!
     
    Popgun and Blue BSA like this.
  7. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    A petrol car produces a LOT more than CO2. Diesel cars a LOT more again. CO2 is not the only issue.
     
  8. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    A completely dud argument. Secondhand power stations are NEVER for sale. If you build an expensive power plant do you want it working 24 hrs a day or only 18?
     
  9. Blue BSA

    Blue BSA Keyboard Hero

    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,089
    18

    They are expensive and practically bespoke. I would want as much life out of one as possible. Especially these days of reduced capacity across the grid.

    That the gensets in my example are 'secondhand' had nothing to do with anything. It was the hours I was talking about.
     
  10. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    Compressed air storage can be built on any scale and is around 85% efficient. No need for batteries for domestic or industrial use.

    The petrol engine as around 35% efficient, a diesel one around 45%, and a massive marine cathederal diesel around 50%. All worse than a modern gas turbine power plant at 60%
     
  11. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    Then you'll never be asked to design or build one. There is zero to be gained from shutting one down for 6 hrs a day. If you did that you'd have to build more of them.:facepalm:
     
  12. Blue BSA

    Blue BSA Keyboard Hero

    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,089
    I bow to your professional opinion on the matter.
     
  13. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    3,671
    Location:
    King's Lynn
    I beg to differ, there are two gas turbine generating plants up for sale within 30 miles of me, King's Lynn and Sutton Bridge.

    Precisely, look at what Drax produces, the emissions of 3,000,000 diesel cars for one power station. If we have a lot more cars running on Duracells then you are going to need to run it at full pelt a lot longer, Doncaster will be so happy...

    King's Lynn has been mothballed, as in permanently shut down....
     
    Popgun likes this.
  14. Blue BSA

    Blue BSA Keyboard Hero

    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,089
    I didn't want to tell him in a previous life I used to work for National Grid.
     
  15. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    3,671
    Location:
    King's Lynn
    Shocking....
     
    Wild Bill and Blue BSA like this.
  16. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Very Active

    Messages:
    4,247
    Likes Received:
    3,755
    Location:
    Canterbury
    Useless fact - I heard this on the radio so take as you will - but a wind turbine will have to run for 600 years to produce the same amount of energy that went into making it
     
  17. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    Utter bull. It's a blatant lie not a fact. The figure is around 5-8 months. I heard that Elvis was spotted - doesn't make it so.

    Both of which are not for sale as a going concern. They are for sale as uneconomic to operate - ie it's the land that's really for sale. The power plants have effectively reached end of life. If you need to take comments out of context you've lost the point.


    Frankly those who wish to believe that we can carry on as normal and polute our only planet ad infinitum are going to be remembered harshly by history. If we manage to avoid the worst then they may be remembered alongside the likes of Neville Chamberlain; as someone who saw the facts and drew the wrong conclusion. If we don't avoid the worst history will be harsher.
     
  18. Blue BSA

    Blue BSA Keyboard Hero

    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,089
    Yes 8 months. If the wind is blowing......

    I don't think anybody is so saying pollution is good.
     
  19. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Posting Addict

    Messages:
    1,182
    Likes Received:
    1,123
    Location:
    Swindon
    The problem with all of these "green" initiatives is they don't consider the full environmental impact and full life-cycle. We end up with the masses being swayed by propaganda or, at best, flawed arguments from green activists and politicians caving in to preserve their self-interests. :facepalm:

    The ultimate solution is culling the population!
    Sell that one to the politicians! :D
     
  20. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

    Messages:
    4,329
    Likes Received:
    595
    Location:
    Wakefield
    It's 8 months or so at the 20% ish loading they expect to run at.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice