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Is the Royal Mail for real?

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by jantar, May 23, 2014.

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  1. jantar

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    Did I hear correctly this morning when it was reported on the news that the Royal Mail is going to increase the price of its posatge stamps because they are losing custom and therefore profits to their competitors? They named TNT as one in particular that is providing a cheaper yet similar service albeit for only business at the moment.
    Surely by using common sense it is obvious that any increase in postal stamps/costs will more than likely only result in a further loss of custom to the Royal Mail so reducing their profits even further.
    Do the people in charge of the decision making in the Royal Mail actually live in the same world as the rest of us, or do they live on planet fantasy?
    Should there be any increases in my costs for mail or parcel delivery then my only increases will be in the amount of free email I use and more parcels for the likes of TNT or other reliable couriers. The only loser will again be the Royal Mail.
    Did I also hear that they were considering deliveries and collections on Sundays? Where would the money come from for that? Its too late for an April Fools day leg pull so it really must be on the cards...............:confused:
     
  2. Elk hunter

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    It's quite common for businesses to increases there prices when they are not doing to well. Although it makes no sence to you it makes perfect sence to them.

    The RM have many factors governing them, the pension pot is rather short of cash, there running costs have not come down, business it walking out the door to competitors, then now have share holders they are accountable too and to finish it off management won't take a pay cut.
    So put the prices up....Makes perfect sence..

    I just wonder if there prices go up will it improve ther customer service.

    Andrew
     
  3. XTX

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    RM is already one of the most expensive postal services in the world.
    If they can't make money charging what they charge then they need to get their house in order rather than pushing prices up.

    What concerns me more is their blanket ban on carrying pressure vessels, even if they are empty. They have effectively banned PCPs.
     
  4. jantar

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    Maybe it is 'common sense' to them but how can it be common sense to raise prices when they know full well that each time they have done so previously it has resulted in further loss of custom. After the more recent reduction in service, deliveries and collections it should have been obvious that the only result was ever going to be more loss of business. Should it be bailed out by the people like the banks were? No, definitely not because why should the people, tax payers, have to pay the penalty for the poor management skills of its managers? It is only the die hards who either do not know of alternatives to the Royal Mail or who believe that because it s 'Royal' that is gives the better service. One day reality will dawn and that day will probably be when it too becomes sold to the private sector and the unapporachable, untouchable, unwilling to take pay cut managers who will then join the unemployed and also may then finally accept that it was their actions which were the cause of their own demise.
    By the way I also know a few posties who have given up their postie jobs due to the attitudes of their managers (gods were what they called them) and the high increase of workloads imposed on them by their pen-pushing, paper shuffling, report grinding, seat warming superiors. Their words, not mine.
    Do I want to see the Royal Mail, once the envy of the world sold off? Instant decision is NO, I do not but what other options are left for them?
     
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    I love a guy with a sense of humour.:D
     
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    I thought their timing was great . Yesterday they announce a £670million profit the next day they need to raise prices.
    I can imagine what my boss would have said if I told him I was taking a foreign holiday, had paid off my mortgage, had a cool million in the bank and then asked him for a rise 'cos i needed the money! " Naff off!" springs to mind as a likely reply. :blah:
    Dag
     
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    I was really cheesed off when took a set of stock cups in the PO to go to Canada, £3.40 for something that cost 73p to post within the UK. I asked about is as last time it was £1.28 and was told pricing structure change as of March 31st, I've had to increase my shipping costs and will no doubt cost me orders
     
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    It aint the managers fault!!!!! They are just doing what they can get away with, whilst screwing everybody whichways. No-No! we should be looking at who employed the managers, who sat in on the interviews and ticked the box that said employ this dick head.

    It's dead easy to become a manager these days, you just have to demonstrate that you are a mindless psychopath, with no empathy for the people below you, and that you have a ruthless ambition to make as much as you can out of the efforts of everybody else, whilst you sit on your arse looking as though butter couldn't melt in your mouth, while everything around you turns to Censored.
     
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    It has been sold to the private sector hence the fact that it now has shareholders.
     
  10. Egg

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    This.

    RM's no longer our property (as in property of the entire nation) but it now belongs to shareholders and shareholders want to see a return on their investment so prices go up.

    Probably a little known fact but firms such as TNT don't actually deliver the mail they charge businesses for: they sub-contract it out to RM for delivery. Large containers of their mail are sorted in RM centres then distributed out to the walk postmen for inclusion in normal delivery ;)
     
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    Which is why everyone including customers and employees is being fooked over big time!!! Not even the Americans are stupid enough to privatise their postal services, see.....Clicky-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service
     
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    RM is in a difficult position as they are obliged to provide a service to the whole of the UK, not sure what will happen to that if Scotland decides to leave the UK? Firms such as TNT simply cherry pick the most profitable parts of the postal service to compete in and since they don'y have to offer the same cost to post to very rural areas their costs are much lower. The reality is that it costs far less to send a letter across London or Birmingham than it would to send exactly the same letter from the depths of Cornwall to the Highlands of Scotland.
    Internet shopping/ebay etc have made a huge difference to the volume of packages and parcels being sent and there are plenty of courier firms springing up to get into this sector of the market. In the end price and performance will determine who succeeds or fails.
    The cost if international postage is also affected by the postal carriers in other countries, it's not solely a local decision.
    I find the cost of posting letters or cards to be far too high and rarely send any. I do send out small parcels via Royal Mail as it's convenient (for me) and I have found the service (recorded 2nd class) to be very reliable, that's one of the benefits of them visiting (or passing) virtually every address every day which you don't get with anyone else.
     
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    What has been said up here is that is Scotland becomes Independent then the postal service will be re-nationalised.
     
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    Whatever happens to RM and whatever we think of it save your wrath for those running it not your postie,they do an excellent job on the whole.Not many people would want to get up at 4 o'clock in the morning, for a 5 o'clock start,be out in all weathers and risk getting bitten by somebody's bloody dog.Most posties have at least 4 bags of mail to deliver,each weighing 16 kilos and all that has to sorted before you even start your walk,I know because I've done it.and all for a job that doesn't pay very high wages.
     
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    Patrick, you have it ever so wrong so from where you derive the idea that I am taking my 'wrath out on the postmen/women', could not be further from how I feel. My friends, some of whom are still posties and others who were posties but left because of the attitude of the managers gave me the information I based my intial post on. Who do I blame for the present state of the RM.....obviously the greedy, lazy, good for nothing managers and those who support them.
    By the way, I still rise at 3 every single morning (old habits die hard) and go to bed at around 1130-0000 so mine too is still a long day. Until I retired I worked 2 jobs, one full time as a mechanical heavy engineer plus a part time one in a garage workshop and then volunteered when I could in a charity shop too. Please do not have a go at me because I did more than my share to pay taxes for those who presently leech the system and do not or have not put anything into it. May I take it that you also got so sick of the constantly changing rules by those diploma holders at the top that are no longer a postie and is the reason for the undeserved post to me? I did more than my bit and have earned the right to state my concerns.
    Tongue in cheek; but I now wait for the inevitable strike to be arranged by their money grabbing union officials who will draw full wages and expenses after they have incited their 'brothers' to strike and who then will not draw any wages (other than their union handout pittance) while they are on strike! Must be the life of riley to be a union official!
     
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    And so it should....but is their independance really going to go ahead? Way I see it is that they will be probably be bust within 12 months and want back into the UK when they discover that they have not had the income necessary to self govern. I can see no more free prescriptions, higher taxes and a whole load of expense when they have to either issue their own Scottish currency or use the Euro as their monetary system. Note that Salmon has not yet given a full explanation of exactly how it will be able to pay for its own rule. Only glad I now live in England.........and I would never have given him my vote anyway after hearing his waffle.
     
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    :rolleyes: Any posties out there got a word on how they feel? They are the ones truly in the 'know'. Or has the management gave them a promise they may not get.......
     
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    POSTIE ALERT!!!
    I think the board are shaping up to dump the universal service, as the Union predicted they would. They will match the other providers i.e. a six day a week service, with customers only receiving mail (letters) every second day. This will enable them to make half the workforce redundant, and everyone part-time.
     
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    Privatisation = Higher prices and worse customer service, fact.
     
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    Jantar I wasn't having a go at you,far from it,I just didn't want people giving their local postie grief for circumstances way beyond his control.Very often it's the front line troops that get it in the neck when things go wrong and it's nothing to do with them and they usually have little say in the matter on how things could be improved.I'm sure if more managers and for that matter directors,came up through the ranks some of these businesses would benefit.Some of them just get some sought of college degree in "business management"and have little else experience,in fact some of them wouldn't know **** from pipe clay,as my gran used to say :)
     
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