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Is Heavier always steadier?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Nicksi, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. Nicksi

    Nicksi Engaging Member

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    This ones doing my nut in. I'm in the market for a Hunting pcp and so am currently reading all and every review possible. I go out all weathers so like the idea of a synthetic stock (currently have an XL Tactical which is great). Current Favourite is a Scorpion T-10 (or if I could afford it a Rapid Tactical, ha ha!)

    However....... pretty much all articles say that heavier, front heavy etc greatly helps get a steady aim. A lot of my shooting is on open scrub / grass so I get presented a lot of chance shots that have to take quick (normally standing). I've taken to avoiding most of these cause I'm just not good enough holding steady when stood. Given the XL Tactical weighs in at under 7lbs scoped it's pretty light.

    So what's spinning round my head is this; am I crap at standers cos the XL's too light or is it crap technique? If I get a PCP, should I avoid a light one cos I can't hold the XL Steady?

    Also - define heavy - I'm a thin guy who busted his arm quite bad when a kid so wouldn't be winning any strength contests that's for sure. So maybe 6 - 7 lbs is plenty heavy enough for me whilst it would feel like a twig to my mate who's a 16 stone butcher, so he'd be better of with a HW100!

    I'll definately be trying before I buy but wondered if there's anyone else who's got any views on this.

    Cheers
     
  2. linkpin

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    Tried any number on the bench, really wanted a lightweight, so went for that Verminator.So comfortable, and sometimes have shouldered it with one arm, pistol fashion, for a spot of difference.:): Really is my favourite, compared to the others I have, which are pretty ancient anyway:):
     
  3. a1gunner

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    target rifles are always heavy because they are used in a kneeling or sitting position so the heavy weight stops wobble.

    in an off hand stance you get wobble due to muscle effort. if something is too light you "over power" the gun and you wobble up a bit if the gun is to heavy tou use your muscles more and more and the gun gets "heavyer" as you get tired and then the wheels come off.

    [video=youtube;9sa7ODrtWMY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sa7ODrtWMY[/video]

    wach that and you will get a good idea of technique.

    what you need to find is a gun not to heavy and not too light.
    it's easyer by the way to make a gun heavyer than it is to make it lighter
    e.g add a bi-pod
     
  4. linkpin

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    The old Lee Enfield .303,at was it about ten pounds, was reasonable at the prone position, not quite so, kneeling, reasonable sitting, OK supported, for me, not so good in the standing position.:(:

    Later on in the HSF, using the 7.62 SLR, I found this a much easier rifle to use, albeit at closer ranges. Never used the SA 80 A, bit after my time!:):

    Anyway, the Verminator suits my requirements admirably.:): Heavier, or lighter weight, personal choice, with comparison one against the other.:):
     
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    If you're shooting a heavy round, you'll want a heavy rifle. This helps to keep it stable - this said, you want a compromise - something you can hold, but that's not too light either.
     
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    Heavier the springer is, the lower the recoil.
     
  7. a1gunner

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    he's on about PCP's
     
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    I stand by my comment! ;)
    But.........with a pcp, it dosn't matter that much, till you have to lug it round on your back all day!
     
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    Yes I reckon you guys are right.:): The Airsporter Stutzen I have, is quite a weighty piece of kit, but still fun to shoot occasionally. I suppose being a relative newcomer to PCP's I have been amazed at the consistent accuracy I get with the Verminator, once I had sorted the moderator problem, with advice from this forum.:):
     
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    Same with me when i first got my typhoon, I was shocked how easy it was to shoot acurately with!.
    I did'nt notice much weight difference between my pcp and my supersport. i always shoot from a support if it's there, if not i take kneeling or prone shot's. Standers i can't take over 10mtrs:mad:.
     
  11. a1gunner

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    i can do 15 yd standers but not confident enough to try it when hunting, i alway do kneelers
     
  12. linkpin

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    In the unit I served with, the gradings on classification scores were:

    Marksman,1st.Class Shot,2nd.Class Shot, if memory serves me correct? Have to check on this to be absolutely sure.:): Lower score ratings were not considered on the pay scale,i.e. you were paid if you were in the first three categories, not for scores that did not merit one of the three grades. So, you tried to be an improver, to benefit the pocket.:):

    Just wish I was able to have the advantages of youth once again, but nothing deters me from still attempting putting a few as close to the Bull as I can:): A great pastime, good for getting your breathing right, 'sharpens' up the eye sight, checks the 'shakes' and is most relaxing, IMHO.:):

    A bit off topic, but here goes. I found this great sight via. a search engine originally, but if I type airgunforum.co.uk on a few of them, where I don't have it logged as a bookmark, it's not found?:(: Just wondered, as others may miss out on a good site.:):
     
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    Hi You Guys Im Another New Boy

    That Link On Posistions Is Well Good Just The Sort Of Info Somebody Like Me Likes And Needs To Stumble Across

    Top Gas, Ding Dong!!
     

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