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is a pcp really worth it ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by TrimB, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. TrimB

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    hello all, im sure i have annoyed many of you with my constant questions but bear with me. i have been shooting a springer for many years and i am now upgrading to a pcp. however i dont know whether its worth it, i mean with a springer i can just pick it up and use it and not have to worry about its charge and that it isnt broken due to its reliable action however with a pcp i have to pump it up which means i have to buy a pump/dive bottle. i also have to do all manner of testing to find its sweet spot. of course there are the benefits. but the power is the same and so is the range. so my question is are pcps really that good. thank you
     
  2. mattyts

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    If they weren't,no one would use them....
     
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    true true but why
     
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    Because the gun dosen't move when you pull the trigger,no cocking required and most of them are a lot more accurate than the average mid range springer.
     
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    okay i see. i have never shot a pcp before so i dont know anything about them so excuse my ignorance
     
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    You don't have to find a sweet spot if you don't want to.

    As long as you know that X fill = Y number of shots any anomalies between the shots themselves ought not to be severe enough to warrant concern IMHO

    My guns usually give a number of useful shots, followed by another bunch that you could use, then they drop off. That's not strictly a 'sweet spot', and all you really need to do unless you're chasing pellet on pellet same-hole accuracy is figure out roughly how many usable shots you have between fills and work within that figure.

    Simples.

    Unless there's something wrong with the gun it will hold air, so all you need to do is buy one that offers a decent shot count and get out and use it, same as you would with a springer.

    Unless it develops a fault or mechanical failure of some sort it's going to hold air until you use it.

    Example:

    My main PCP can nudge 100 shots from one fill, but I have a ten magazine rule. The mag is 8 shots, so ten mags = 80, leaving me a little slack, just in case, at which point I top up from a dive bottle.

    I don't count shots, I count mags.

    Couldn't really be easier :)

    Much as I love shooting spring rifles I wouldn't be without PCPs.
     
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    Probably better off shooting one then ask questions about them later.
     
  8. Alex.mc

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    The simplicity of a spring gun is attractive without a doubt. A well looked after, properly used springer is as accurate as a PCP, but it requires technique... in a way that PCP doesn't(to a similar degree).

    Hunting-wise....... PCPs are often quieter, sometimes very quiet. If you miss, and the quarry doesn't move much then you can be reloaded and ready to go in seconds without any large movement or effort.


    As mentioned above, try one....
     
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    I think you've been listening to the springer brigade.
    If you get a decent PCP, something simple like and Ultra / Contour / S400 it won't go wrong. The only thing that can fail is an O ring here and there and these PCPs are simple enough to strip and repair at home. A seal kit for an Ultra is under £20.
    I avoid regulated PCPs because it's invariably the regulator that fails and they can't be repaired and adjusted without special equipment.
    As for "all manner of testing" you've only got to do it once - the best way is stick a Combro on the front (you should own a chrono, if you don't - get one), fill the gun to it's maximum recommended pressure and shoot a string of shots. You'll see the velocity rise and then fall again. For a legal limit gun stop the testing when it's fallen to 10.5ftlbs.
    Now get your values, put them in Excel and pick off the middle part of the flattest part of the curve.
    For example on my Ultra a 185bar fill gives 32 shots with no change in impact point at 35yds. If I fill it to 195bar I can get 40 shots as long as I aim 1/2 mildot high on the first 3 and last 4.
    As for filling the gun, get a Webley Accupump, they can be had for £110 and the feet fold up so it'll stash in a rucksack.

    Remember that with a PCP -
    You can rest it on your arm, your knee, a fence post, a wall, a bipod and all the shots will go exactly where you want them to go.
    With a silencer fitted a PCP is virtually silent.
    When you shoot a PCP you can watch the pellet in flight, this is particularly good when night shooting with a lamp because the back of the pellet shines back at you.
    If you get a multishot PCP it's much nicer on cold days - you can keep your gloves on for 10 shots, or whatever your magazine capacity is.
    If you get a multishot PCP you get a quick back up shot.
    PCPs are generally lighter and shorter than springers, more convenient to carry and easier in hides.
    You can keep a PCP cocked as long as you want.
    The PCP is actually the simpler mechanism when you take into account all the subtleties of the firing cycle of a springer (ref. Mr Tyler).

    When you've put your tenth pellet through the same hole at 40yds you'll be glad you changed to a PCP!
     
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    thank you everyone
    im getting a daystate huntsman classic in .177 soon. is that a good way to go?
     
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    Good choice you won't regret it ! Is it for hunting or target work mate ?
     
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    If you're ever down Gloucester way, you're welcome to pop by and chuck a few pellets down my back garden just to get an idea. And we can talk about air cylinders, filling, etc. I have a Weihrauch HW100S.
     
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    Good choice! You won't regret it
     
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    I've recently done the same, springers for years and I got my first PCP around 2 months ago, not used my springer since I got my ultra!!!!
     
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    you will....it might take 6 weeks 6 month or 6 years but we all get that springer calling again at some point ;)
     
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    Yes.

    In return for the greater initial outlay and marginally increased hassle, compared to a springer a decent PCP will reward you with:

    - A faster lock time / shot development time (makes it easier to shoot / more forgiving of poor trigger control)
    - No recoil (again makes it easier to shoot, no hold-sensitivity or zero shift with changes in shooting / resting position)
    - Greater accuracy
    - Lighter weight
    - Typically better trigger
    - Potential multi-shot capacity
    - Ability to reload with less movement (useful if hunting)
    - Almost silent shooting with a decent mod attached

    Get one bought ;)
     
  17. Akita177

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    "Greater accuracy"

    Dont really agree with that, maybe easier to be accurate or eaiser to be more consistently accurate.

    a springer is just as accurate is just a matter of the shooter willing to learn true marksmanship
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I bought one because my wife and kid struggled to cock a decent springer, and they could shoot better with one to. I liked the way I could hit targets far more consistently and at further distances, and also I could do loads of shots easily.

    Yes, they are quite a bit more expensive, but when you sell again you get most of it back, so over the years they cost peanuts in real terms to have and use. I'd even put money on it that most of the people reading this spend more on Coffee than they would running a good PCP - and that's including depreciation.

    James
     
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    Coffee is the second biggest market of traded commodoties in the world - crude oil is the largest. The FUEL TO GET TO YOUR SHOOTING is the biggest cost of all. The difference between a PCP and a mechanical rifle is the pleasure derived. The spring type rifle provides a satisfaction different to the PCP. The PCP is clinical and very quiet, but provides no feedback to the shooter, so some people who change think their shooting has become sanitise, hymogenised and reduced to just point and squirt. Others don't worry about that aspect and only focus on the tumbling targets. It depends on where you derive your pleasure from. Is the journey as important as the destination? Some people think the journey is the most important bit.
     

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