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Interesting Or Not? 30 Shot Sig Sauer Mcx Virtus Pcp 11ft-lb

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 300bhp/ton, Oct 22, 2019.

  1. Mike.lewis

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    Almost any gun can be made to go over, if a springer is dieseling it will go over, if the wrong spring is put in it can go over.
    We all have guns that potentially can go over - the best thing we can do is to not act like dickheads with our guns and avoid coming to the attention of the police.
     
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    Quite... A few people have mentioned installing a robust anti tamper as a legal defence, but surely everytime you need to make adjustments to the power eg power creeping upwards, you'd need to bypass the anti tamper, so it wouldn't be that 'robust'.

    Ultimately this is the case for all air rifles, those with a factory fitted anti tamper, those that have had the anti tamper removed by a gunsmith or DIYer and those that come with no anti tamper at all.

    Ultimately most airguns on the market today can quite easily be tweaked upwards with basic, readily available tools. So in reality, on the supposition that if an airgun can be made to exceed the UK sub 12 limit without any 'specialist' modification, the vast majority of us are already in possession of a firearm. I suspect this is why it is not more heavily policed. If it was, the importers and RFDs would ensure stricter control before supply to the public.

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  3. evenbad

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    Anti tamper isn't law ?
    If you decide to modify to break the law to any air rifle , you deserve the appropriate punishment
    Just my take on it irrespective of any make or model air rifle
     
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  4. r10hunter

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    If you modify a rifle from factory standard be that remove the anti tamper, fit a new spring, or in this case make the trigger return on its own again.
    Then you can no longer take advantage of the Puttick defence ( the rifle is “capable” but has not been altered from factory standard in anyway, the owner did not know or intend it to be illegal)
    If the Puttick defence is accepted you will get a conditional or unconditional discharge at worst, often the case will be dropped.
    Without a defence your life could be turned upside down your choice.




    If you are going to modify this gun as lots of people are quite legally doing. So that the trigger returns on its own despite the importer disabling this feature.

    Expect the police to take a keen interest if they ever get hold of it.
    If there is no anti tamper fitted it’s “capable” and you are off to prison with no defence should they have an agenda.
    Fit some anti tamper and your defence has something to work with your choice.
     
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  5. evenbad

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    Again will differ on your opinion! If the sig mpx has the same double action trigger to index the next shot what is the problem with this model operating the same way?
    Please don't take this the wrong way just find this post interesting
    This is not a personal attack on your view at all
     
  6. r10hunter

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    The new model does not operate the same way it’s not double action.
    But is self indexing the same as a steyer but with the plastic belt feed instead of the 5 shot mag.
    To avoid upsetting the British police the return on the trigger is disabled by the importer meaning it must be manually pushed back to reset it.
    Many people are retuning the trigger to its fully automated operation and setting them to just under 12ftlbs.

    My point is if you are going to do this it’s perfectly legal but is a red rag to the police if they get hold of it so protect yourself with good anti tamper.
     
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    Thanks for you reply but still confused a bit ( old age) you state it's legal,to alter trigger in a earlier post so cannot see why AT would be a defence in court if it's legal to do ,as for a red rag to a bull the police should be concentrating on more important or serious crimes committed in my opinion in case some coppers are members lol
     
  8. r10hunter

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    The police not going to like the fact people are putting these back to automatic operation when the importer has disabled this feature to avoid conflict in the U.K with what the police find acceptable.

    As we know the police can prove any gun that does not have anti tamper section 1 very easily if they have an agenda with it.
    So the easiest route for the police to prove these illegal would be the “capable” one.

    You have modified it so no “puttick” defense available to you.

    Anti tamper fitted “an ordinary person with ordinary tools” can’t turn it up so you have a defence.
     
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  9. Bullpup79

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    "I’m happy with the results using the irons. It shoots where you point with perfectly acceptable accuracy" - https://airgunwire.com/check-out-the-new-sig-sauer-mcx-virtus-pcp-air-rifle/

    That's good to read. i think getting the right pellet will be crucial with this rifle

    More from the article
    " The Sig Air Crux lead pellets averaged 591.5 feet per second, yielding 11.39 foot-pounds while the lighter ballistic alloy versions clocked in at 760.3 fps for 12.88 foot-pounds. Those figures are right in line with what Sig claims on the box.

    If you’re an AR-type rifle aficionado, this PCP rifle is for you. It handles well, shoots reliably, and makes a great training rifle you can use in the garage or back yard. I’m glad to see that Sig chose .22 caliber for the initial release as that also positions it well for an effective small game and pest control solution too."
     
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  10. Brock1Rgj

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    I'd like to see the quality of the internals in this and barrel in all its glory ,or not .A thirty five yard group from a competent airgunner would be good too .
    Saying that ...even if all these points are a positive there's still the nelly in the room .....double the price of what the ham shanks are paying .
    Personally I'd like to be bought a slap up meal before I'm shafted .oh and a reacharound is always good form
     
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    Mine arrived today :) ..very pleased with it so far, the trigger is nice and solid with zero wobble and only needs a tiny push to load the next pellet, had a quick go in the garden and is shooting H&N field trophy's great and fits nice in a Flambeau hard case ..the box shows a diagram of the insides for those interested

    Selling my MPX if anyone is after one

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    A shooting holiday in Las Vegas where you get to shoot a bunch of different firearms might be a better spend by the sound of it.
     
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  14. Mike.lewis

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    I had a go with one at the shooting show on Saturday. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting, it was hitting what I wanted it to on the small test range that they had set up.
    If it was a lot cheaper I'd probably be more tempted to buy one but I'm not spending that much on one.
     
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    As far as I am concerned, any officer who handcuffs me while I am on my smallholding with an air rifle has just given me a payday. I will not tolerate a so-called firearms officer who is incapable of telling the difference between a powder burner and an air rifle; moreover, if he wants to look at it, he can ask me to bring it to him, in which case I would unload it and walk over to him.

    If he is that frightened of an air rifle, he's a coward as well as incompetent at weapon recognition. I would understand if they misidentified a CO2 pistol as the real thing (still sue them of course) but an air rifle is too obvious to confuse with a real firearm.
     
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    Not if it's made to look like a real gun - how can you say its OK to misidentify a co2 replica pistol but not a replica rifle?
     
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    I do take your point about a replica rifle being very similar to the real thing, I should have made it clear that I was thinking of the average PCP or springer.

    However, any officer who cannot identify an air rifle as such, has no business calling himself a Firearms officer. Moreover, the likelihood of anyone possessing a real Sig fullbore rifle is nil. An AK-47 lookalike, possibly; but a Sig?

    It is long overdue for us, who are all constantly harassed by the police, to start being far more robust towards people who do not treat us with respect. Encountering a countryman with a gun might cause an officer to request to examine the rifle, and probably request the rifle to be unloaded, but there is no excuse for demanding that a person lie down or for them to be handcuffed.

    Remember that the officer will be armed with a weapon that is a effectively a battle rifle, and if he is incapable of having a civil conversation with someone then he or she is in the wrong job.
     
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    Jimmypie Self isolating taking it one meme at a time

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    Before everyone starts rising up against the system Let’s please Just have a quick google and reality check to what really happens if you don’t do as your told in 2020 by an ARU in the UK .
     
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    They have shot people who have been holding table legs and other items in the past, so I'd be inclined to put the gun down very quickly and following any other instructions that are given.
    I'd rather the police made me lie down and handcuff me than shoot first and then have to tell my wife that they shot me.
     
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    Jimmypie Self isolating taking it one meme at a time

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    exactly :) , I was bought up to do as I’m told by the police , I realise that’s uncool these days but I guess I’m just a bit old school like that.
     
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