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Interesting Or Not? 30 Shot Sig Sauer Mcx Virtus Pcp 11ft-lb

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 300bhp/ton, Oct 22, 2019.

  1. thumbhole

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    Mike it would be a bargain at that price.
    At least 20 people had a go with it today, so here are my findings about it. I did 6 full mags before the gauge dropped to where recommended to be filled again, thats 180 shots, no one had a jam, the major niggle with everyone, that used it was the air cylinder needed some form of cover, as the cheek weld was both cold and slippy. It would also benefit from adjustable butt pad.
    The trigger is a little heavy but quite usable and once used to flicking the trigger, everyone found it acceptable, both myself and my Daughter could rattle of the shots quite quickly. Now to accuracy the open sight were ok and we found, we could hit most things out on the plinking course, but found it difficult to get the small spinners as the forend sight was thick and obscured the small spinners, so you could not see them, so was hit and miss. A decent red dot, or small scope would be ideal and I feel so would be the accuracy. I was not keen on the colour one I had was a sort of battle ship grey, would be better in black. It was great fun thats all we used all morning and a few of the lads had big grins on their faces whilst using it. The sig would make a great ratting gun, and all round fun gun, if I had a spare 499 I would definitely get one, as mentioned no one knows how reliable they are going to be as so new. We used a full tin of pellets this morning and it worked excellent. As regards to I would not be seen out with one, thats a personal thing Im not in to military replicars but it was most enjoyable knocking down and over almost all of the plinking targets. Just think what it would have been like with a sight on. Mike it would be great to take to a comp and see faces when you knocked the targets down. :thumb:
     
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    It was in reference to the gun buddy... :thumb:
     
  3. Mike.lewis

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    I think it would probably be a great fun plinker but at £500 it's a bit too much for me to justify spending.
    It will be interesting to see how long they last.
    But if they are accurate aswell with a scope then they may even make a decent ratting rifle, I'd be happy to use one if they are reliable and accurate.
     
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    Screenshot from the Ronnie sunshine’s video , is that correct it would be UK legal?
     

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    Would dare get that out anywhere neighbors could see. Armed response would be kicking down the door.
     
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    Given that in it's original configuration it's single action, if the trigger were "fixed" wouldn't that make it an illegal semi-auto air rifle? Or does it fire from the "magazine" (the belt in this case) a la the Steyr?
     
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    The trigger return being disabled is to stop controversy in the U.K. no legal requirements.

    Yes it would be legal to put back the return spring in the trigger as it fires direct from a belt it’s self indexing rather than auto loading so would be classed the same as a steyer following the decision on these.
    And turning up to just under 12 ftlbs that’s obviously legal.

    However if you did so you would no longer have the defence that the gun is factory standard should it fall into the hands of the police and they have an agenda with it or you.
    In a test they could turn its power up themselves to prove it capable of exceeding 12ftlbs assuming they could achieve this with ordinary hand tools.
    You could be looking at a custodial sentence. ( it’s not factory standard so no defence is possible other than technical errors and such ).

    You would certainly wish to fit very good anti tamper screws at an absolute minimum if you choose to modify it, ideally not fitted by yourself but by a local gunsmith / tuner and ensure the power is not too close to 12ftlbs.
     
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    Thanks r10. That explains it. I wonder why they have to be imported with the trigger return spring removed (or whatever they did) since they are, by virtue of being self indexing, legal without removing it.
     
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    To try and stop our police jumping up and down about the import of these deadly assault airguns :) I would think.
    Resulting in self indexing being classed as self loading by the authorities. No new law would need to be passed to achieve this so the importers are on sticky ground.
     
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    I see. If auto indexing were classed as self loading I imagine that there would be a lot of angry Steyr 5 Auto owners who just lost their extremely expensive rifles due to an AR style air rifle of questionable quality.
     
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    You would think so.
    But to be honest at the moment we are just delaying the inevitable. With new deigns keep coming out and anti airgun pressure groups. The whole air gun laws are going to get a shake up at some point and it won’t benefit us.
     
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    It's more likely that they have done this to the trigger to stop rapid fire breaking it in two weeks.
     
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    Nice work - good to hear some first hand experience but please, please address the elephant in the room, bang a scope on it and get some groups shot ;)
     
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    Mike, I will set one up Saturday when im at work and see how they group, then will report back, my only concern is if it groups well, my Daughter might want one, then it gets costly, as she mentioned she would have it dipped in pink. :eek: just to see the faces on the lads at the club lol.:thumb:
     
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    Called in my local RFD on friday for some pellets and had a quick look/feel of the virtus, tbf it feels pretty good and does appear to be of better construction ,its on the heavy side but not uncomfortable and the push forward trigger in use is actually not that bad...it is also a bit on the loud side. Was not scoped and i did not get any time on there range with it, will be interested to see some accuracy testing and only time will tell regarding reliability.
     
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    I think you may be safe, re the power, as they are not full power any way, people that know about these things, there are burst discs in to prevent power exceeding what was set at the factory. Also after seeing one in pieces, not sure I would want one close to the limit. Mike (Cloverleaf) you will know what I mean. Also tested with around 11.4 power grouping with a scope on at 25m was acceptable but not outstanding.
    I still stand by my test last week at the club with various people testing it. I feel it is a fun plinking gun, but will never be as accurate as a decent spring gun in an average shooters hands. ;)
     
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    I could get one over 12ftlbs easily if I can a police appointed forensic firearms expert can.

    Any alterations to how the gun came from the manufacture without putting some serious anti tamper in place leaves you open to a custodial sentence. (If the police get hold of the gun and have an agenda.)

    Not worth even thinking of modifying one without fitting very good anti tamper, the risks involved are silly for a rubbishy toy gun.
     
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    I agree with you, I won't go in to how when where or what can be done to the power. From the manufacturer there are measures to prevent that. Any decent Fidler could alter it so any air gun is capable of producing more power.
     
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    Bet I could get an R10 above legal limit too!
     
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    So could I very easily and most other pcps.
    But with the anti tamper in place you have protection should the police get hold of it and have an agenda.

    With the Sig modified from factory standard ( the trigger auto resetting ) you can no longer claim “ puttick” so your only option to leave you with a defence in court should you decide to modify would be some very very good anti tamper to prevent the gun being classed as “capable” if seized and tested.
     
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