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If There Were No Restictions On Guns!

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Elk hunter, Jul 29, 2014.

  1. Elk hunter

    Elk hunter Keyboard Hero

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    After reading some threads yesterday in different parts of the forum, from idiots with guns and cats being shot ect and the common factor that links them all was an Air Gun licence for or against it does not matter!

    So if in this country we upheld the 2 amendment to hold arms like some states in the USA, how many on here would have guns other than air powered if there was no questions asked and all that was needed was a uk driving licence.

    If you could swap your Crosman for a 9mm glock or that rapid 7 for an AR19 in .223 loose that BSA R10 in 12lb for a Benjamin @40lb just because you could.

    How many out there could honestly say " No I wouldn't buy anything over 12lb or nitro based"
    (I think very few)

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  2. tinmanofkent

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    I'd much rather be shooting rabbits with a rimfire than a sub-12ftlb air rifle. I think it would be more humane and more effective. It is the trouble of FAC application that stops me.
     
  3. r10hunter

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    We do uphold the 5th amendment in this country people are not allowed to be treated unfairly during legal process.

    Did you mean the second amendment:):)

    Why does everyone think the right to keep and bear arms is the fith amendment? Matty said the same yesterday. :):)
    Cheers Andy
     
  4. Cymru-Dave

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    If you could have any gun at FAC I think there would be a huge increase in ranges for them to be used and if this was the case I think I'd have a few, but I wouldn't like the idea of any old person with a car liscense obtaining an FAC and running round the countryside, plus I think save a few special cases permissions would be a lot harder to come by.
     
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    You just have to look at the mess that the USA is in crime wise. Would we really want to find those problems coming over here, I think not. Long live the current methods of licencing that we have in the UK. Just my opinion. KB1
     
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    In my view it's not the guns that are the problem it's criminals with guns.
    Nearly all of the mass killings have been in gun free zones.
    http://youtu.be/M1u0Byq5Qis
    Cheers Andy
     
  7. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

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    Exactly my point Andy, keep restrictions as tight as possible in the hope that we would never find this country in that state. Are you going to be on the forum for the next ten mins, only I want to drop you a pm. KB1
     
  8. Wynne G Oldman

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    I wholeheartedly agree. 30,000 people a year die of gunshot wounds in the US. That's similar to 100 airliners crashing every year. I think it's around 100 a year over here. To answer the OP's question, I think that I would own firearms, mainly to protect myself from all the criminals which would then own them. ;)
     
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    Which is probably what most yanks and south Africans do now. So keep the gate closed and stop the bull getting out in the first place. KB1
     
  10. jw74

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    I can put my hand on hart and say. I'm honestly happy with sub 12.I'm more into the hunting(getting into close range)than shooting at 100 plus yards.I have served in the royal artillery so have fired many a live firing rifle.but as I shoot mainly rabbits as I like to shoot what I can use(feeding g my dogs with them) I don't see the need for an sa80 or alike.
     
  11. Accuspell

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    The bull is out though. If you want a 9mm pistol I can get you one in 2 hours with a magazine of rounds and it will cost you £200. You just have to go to Nottingham, Leicester, Derby, Manchester, Liverpool...London. Any of the major cities has guns available - you can even RENT ONE. The numbers coming into this country on a weekly basis are being kept very quiet. The Police have no control over the number of unregistered firearms that are being brought in. The only controls are over those who admit to owning them and go through the system, that means you and I. Armed robberies or murders are not carried out using licensed firearms, domestic violence situations notwithstanding.

    In Switzerland, the country with the least firearms crime figures, what we would term the reservist army (TA) is made up of household members and they all have their assault rifles at home. Many households have firearms. The difference is in the attitutde of the people towards guns. They are brought up with them and they respect them. Over here we glorify them and give 5 year olds video games where they can go round killing people with them - is it any wonder some of them think that is either normal, or accepted, behaviour?
     
  12. Cymru-Dave

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    I don't agree that all of the US' problems are due to criminals with guns, it's their attitude to guns where they pick up a gun and carry it round like you or I would pick up our keys and wallet before going out, an argument over there can easily be settled with a gun shot, the mentality that less guns would mean a safer environment is struck down with a no, we need more guns to make us safer, as said I hope we never get there and I don't think we ever will.
     
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    Kimber Custom II .45 ACP Semiautomatic Pistol


    I used to love doing skittle shoots and similar before handguns were banned :(


    M1 Garand


    Everyone who shoots should shoot one before they peg it - think of it as a high entry on any shooter's bucket list :)


    L115A3 Long Range Sniper Rifle, or similar.


    Long range shooting and its various associated challenges fascinates me. Enough said.

    I am lucky enough to already own some FAC stuff anyway and, years back, I put a lot of time in on various weapons systems.

    Air rifles have their own set of challenges which is one of the mains reasons I use them so much.

    Whatever honks you hooter is OK, as long as it is used responsibly (and currently legal).
     
  14. cloverleaf

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    All politics aside as I simply can't be arsed, were everything de-restricted a Smith and Wesson 586 .357 mag would be first on the list :)

    [​IMG]
     
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    FAC application is no great trouble. You don't necessarily have to move up to powder burners either. An FAC power air rifle can be used in many situations that a powder burner cannot. You will, in most forces, be given an open ticket straight away, especially if you can show you have experience with hunting. Also, FAC air rifles are often cheaper secondhand than the same model off ticket.
     
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    This is a popular opinion about which I have considerable doubts. Consider; the drongos that are gang members are so full of 'respek' and testosterone fuelled lawlessness, that if they could get their hands on firearms so readily the streets would be running in blood. Instead it is more often the case that shoddily unreliable converted firearms are recovered. Sure, the real things are out there to some degree, but not, I think, as readily as you suggest.


    Again, not quite an accurate description of the situation. The firearm homicide rate per 100,000 population is 0.07 for the UK, but 0.77 for Switzerland.
    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

    Discovering the truth about firearms is incredibly difficult because there are so many vested interests. But one mistake for certain is comparing the UK with the US, and citing the US experience as someway being comparable to ours. The two countries might as well be in difference universes as far as that comparison is worth. you simply cannot compare the history, the attitude towards mental health, and the downright lies that are told about firearms crimes in each country.
     
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    "I can get you one in 2 hours",are these dubious unsavoury characters friends of yours? I hope not :eek::D
     
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    Heaven forbid we end up with the same gunlaws/restrictions,or rather the lack of them, as some american states.There's virtually no control on who and what they can own in the way of firearms and no requirements on how and where they're kept.Provided you're not a convicted felon and how they know whether you are or not puzzles me seems to be the only restriction.I can never understand why some ordinary citizens in america need to own a whole armoury of weapons some of which have no use whatsoever in civilian life,things like military assault rifles have no valid practical use in ordinary everyday life,they're designed for one purpose only,killing enemy combatants at close to medium range.
     
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    I'd own as many weapons as possible covering as many categories as possible , pistols , sub machine gun , assault rifle , sniper rifle etc , you get the drift . Why ? Because I like guns pure and simple . I love the working parts of machine guns etc , the theory interests me too ,from a 9mm browning upto a c130 gunship I just loves guns .
     
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