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If I May......

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by PeeBee, Dec 4, 2020.

  1. r10hunter

    r10hunter Honorary Member

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    Everyone knows that.
    But it’s good policy to tell the truth you don’t say you want a gun for clay shooting then the only gun you buy is a silenced .410.
    Your firearms department will always treat you with suspicion if it’s obvious you are trying to play them.
    Thinking the worst of your motives and will likely move you straight from a C to a B.
    Tell the truth, he wants a shotgun for squirrel shooting and may take up clays in the future perfectly good reasoning.
    No need to make it hard.
     
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  2. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    C&P'd directly from Durham Constabulary Firearms Licensing Dept. website - and they are not the only ones that have moved the goal posts over the last 5 years since i renewed :-

    Good Reason

    It must be stressed that this section relates to shotguns (Section 2 weapons) only. "Good reason" for Section 1 Firearms is a different entity and dealt with under the firearm section.

    The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 revised the criteria set out in Section 28 of the 1968 Act for the grant and renewal of a shotgun certificate, so as to allow Chief Officers of Police more discretion to make inquiries into applications. It is important to note how the criteria differ from those in respect of applications for Section 1 weapons.

    No certificate shall be granted or renewed if the Chief Officer of Police:

    • has reason to believe that the applicant is prohibited by the Act from possessing a shotgun; OR
    • is satisfied that the applicant does not have a good reason for possessing, purchasing or acquiring a shotgun


    However, the Act does not require the applicant to make out a good case for being granted a shotgun certificate, but extends the Chief Officer's grounds for refusing one.

    Each and every application will be judged on its own merit, but the usual reasons for requiring a shotgun include the following:

    Clay pigeon shooting

    We strongly advise that it is best to join a reputable club first before applying for your shotgun certificate. You will find most clubs helpful and very keen to assist you in many ways. Not only can you get expert advice and assistance to help you make the right choices in your chosen sport, but gain valuable experience as well. However, non-certificate holders can only shoot at artificial targets, with clubs approved by the Chief Officer of Police, on specific days allowed by their Section 11(6) permit.
     
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    Yes I understand that . It it’s far better to have a gun that you can shoot clays with and enjoy the variety of the sport when applying for your license, then Taylor your needs accordingly.
    And if you only want to shoot a squirrel why would you need a 410 ? When a sub 12 air will do a better job
     
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    Someone shooting an unsilenced 12 over your head when drey bashing is not a pleasant experience. His thinking is perfectly correct in my view the .410 is perfect for the job 3 shot pump ideal.
    You will often get 3 squirrels bolting at a time when drey bashing and running like hell and you want to use an airgun?
    Do you know what drey bashing is ?
     
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  5. Tyler durdon

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    Yes it is is but he hasn’t got a license yet has he . He can get his license and buy what he reasonably needs, for his purpose.
    Six months down the line he might want to go pigeon shooting ..
     
  6. Figgy

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    You have to have reason these days for a shotgun.
    Can you not just poke the drays, sometimes owls will use drays.

    You also need permission for where the shot will fall. Five acres ain't much and chances are the shot will fall outside the landowners boundary.

    A 12 bore is cheaper to feed and more useful than a .410. lots more choice of shot sizes too. A 12 you can buy 21g carts in 9shot ideal for close shots and the smaller lighter shot won't travel as far. It's only two gram more shot that the 3" 19 gram .410 carts
     
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  7. r10hunter

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    That’s why the OP and other people call it drey bashing bash the drey or a tree with a hollow, with your poles. No one shoots out dreys out anymore it’s highly prohibited.

    You want a quiet gun for squirrel shooting they are not daft animals.
    Shooting on a small permission you want a silenced shotgun.
    If you make too much noise on one drey you will have problems getting them to bolt on the next drey that is inside a hollow tree.
    Small permission with grazing animals a silenced gun every time.
    Plenty of people on here have similar permissions and follow that approach.

    I would never use any shot smaller than 6 on a tough animal like a squirrel it’s nasty wounding stuff and only a sub 20 yards proposition.
     
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    Sorry my ignorance, I thought Drey bashing was the shooting of Dreys. Did not know it was now done with poles "as in Drey poking"
     
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    My saying 9 shot was due to the shooter expected to be close to the drey well within 20 yards. The fall of shot on such a small land area is the main issue for using smaller shot.
    If I was looking the blow the drey out the tree and everything within I'd use a 36g 4 shot cart. But for bolting them from the dreys a 28g 7.5 will do the job
     
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    I'd thought of the .410 as I have an old shoulder injury which I don't think would stand up too well to 12 bore. I'm intrigued by 20 bore though - I know it will depend on loads and the weight of the gun - but in general how much less recoil do they generate?

    Back to the license - I've fired 12 bores in the past a few times. I went as a guest to a clay shooting club (now defunct) but TBH I found the whole set-up a bit 'cliquey' so stopped attending before I began the process of applying for a SGL. Joining clubs isn't my thing. I wouldn't mind pay to play though.

    Does a bit of past experience (from the 80's!) count for anything with the police as far as gun handling/safety goes or isn't it worth mentioning?
     
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    Bolting the squirrels was the idea.
     
  12. r10hunter

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    If you use your land as a reason for a grant, or membership of a clay club, previous experience won’t come into it you will just get your certificate granted.
    (Provided your good reason checks out, and you have no medical criminal or personal reasons that prevent you getting a certificate.)

    If you use clay shooting at a pay and play ground as your good reason then experience can sometimes be questioned by some forces and FEOs and it advised you complete some lessons.

    By all means bring up that you have previously used shotguns and have lots of gun handling experience from your airgun shooting.
     
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    They ask you why you want a shotgun , I wanted one because I tried and liked clay shooting, and I wanted to do a bit of game to , as long as you are responsible, not under meds for depression, not a drunk , and a genuine guy , it’s all good
     
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    I gave the same reason, I had a go at clay pigeon shooting when the wife got me an experience voucher. I enjoyed it and wanted to do it more often so wanted my own gun.
    They asked where I had been and where else I would shoot, told them about 2/3 local clubs and they were happy with that.
    I had a lady feo visit me and she liked the second wardrobe I bought to hide the safe in as it matched the one with clothes in :D.
     
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    Ha very nice to
     

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