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Question If I get a full power .177 and zero at 25 yards, from what range will the pellet keep on the zero?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by kingofbeers, May 12, 2014.

  1. kingofbeers

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    And is it substantially wider range than a .22?

    Sorry if this has been asked loads of times, I couldn't find it answered in the search bar. Didn't know how to phrase the question.
    thanks
     
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    Zero it at 33M and generally between 7m and 36m it will only be half an inch either side of the Zero.
     
  3. GIRLYPANTS

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    use chairgun :up:
     
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    Donki Oaty Where's the time going?

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    And what's that in yards?
     
  6. kingofbeers

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    ok great thanks
     
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    108.9 ish feet
     
  8. Ichabod Armacost

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    I am sure chairgun is wonderful for those that have a suitable device to use it on, and can be bothered to faff with it.


    Also of course, not all of us are 12 years old or there abouts!.......................;):)


    Being a dinosaur definitely has it's downside!:D
     
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    chairgun's ok to get a general idea of your best zero range but you cant beat setting targets out at different ranges and getting to know your aim points correctly
     
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    Going to full power in .177 will give you some 5-7 yards of additional relatively flat trajectory. There's not much use in going past 920-950 fps as the pellets start to destabilize as they approach the speed of sound. 880-920 fps is good for best accuracy.

    Edit, I haven't checked those new super heavy pellets in .177, they could do a bit better with reduced drag and better stability allowing more speed.
     
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  11. Honest Bob

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    Like you, I am as you put it, at 62yrs, a bit of a dinosaur, but we are never too old to learn new things, I use chairgun, and yes I found it a little hard to understand at first, but got to grips with most of it, and have found it to be useful. Remember us old b*****s can still learn new things. The only problem with getting old, is your body wont do what your mind thinks it can. Live to be old, but think young. Atb from a young at heart old sod. Bob.
     
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    It's true enough Bob, we aint to old to learn things, but I think as we get older we tend to be a lot more discriminate about what we want to learn. I came to computers only 10 years ago, so I went on a course to learn how to switch one on and off, and to learn about what windows did, and didn't do. The rest of what I know, which in computer terms I suppose you could get on a postage stamp! I mean if I didn't need to know it, I didn't learn it, it was quite some time before I learned about spread sheets, I always thought that spreading sheet was summat farmers did on their fields!:)

    I am of course posting in jest, and I am sure as I said that "chairgun" is a very useful tool for some, but I think I am with anchovie on this one, there is for me no substitute for real world practicality.
     
  13. terry1001

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    'Full power' in the UK means something a bit different to Finland!
    Chairgun will run on a computer or smartphone and, for those of a more artistic disposition, will also run on Mac devices - just off to wash my hands now.
    If you put correct data into Chairgun it will give you accurate answers. If you don't have the correct muzzle velocity or your scope magnification markings are off then there will be some error. Once you have your theoretical answers you should confirm them by shooting.
     
  14. Honest Bob

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    Like you I tend not to bother with things that have no interest for me, the onley reason I used chairgun in the first place, is that I wondered if it worked, but as said by others no substitute for setting up targets at different distances, and getting to know your gun and scope, but I did find chairgun fairly accurate. When I got my first computer, I turned it on, then just looked at it and thought, what now, and after buggering it up, and reloading Windows several times, got used to it. By the way, what is a spread sheet :rolleyes:. Atb. Bob.
     
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    At the risk of veering slightly off topic I think it's worth trying to explain the value of chairgun (and similar programs/apps) to shooters. There are frequently questions posted here and on other forums asking for information which is readily if not immediately available from Chairgun. I find it particulalry useful at answering 'what if' type questions such as:
    what happens if I fit mounts which are 1/4" higher,
    what happens if I change my zero to 30 yards instead of 35 yards
    what if I fit 0.010 thick shims under the rear scope mount.
    Of course you can get all these answers by shooting but suppose you're not happy with them, then you have to start again. If you'd run through the scenarios on your computer you'd have a very good idea if you were going to be successful or not and saved a lot of range time (+ pellets and air) that could have been spent more enjoyably or usefully.
    To get the best results you do need to input accurate base information, your pellet (select from a list), muzzle velocity and scope height which are easy enough to find out and then you have access to more data than you're ever going to need.
    Refusing to use it because it's new and works on a computer is as sensible as sticking with open sights or Wasp pellets.
     
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    Very true terry and I agree with you 100 percent , but for me the fun is doing it by trial and error even if it does mean wasting half a tin of pellets and an hour or so to get to the same conclusion as 10 minutes on chair gun I'm 'only' 45 :D But I believe in going about things the 'john darling way' , not knocking technology of course but I just like hands on messing about with stuff till I'm happy
     
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    That's all that matters :up:
     
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    Hi,

    Firstly to answer your question directly by full power I am assuming 11.5 ft.lbs. In the attached typical .22 example also zeroed at 25 yards it will be 'on the zero' within +/- 1/4 inch between 11 and 28 yards (for us older folk who have no concept of metric stuff and definitely did not ask for a unit to represent 3 foot 3 inches :)).

    The same typical setup but in .177 and zeroed at 25 yards will be 'on the zero' between 16 and 32 yards.

    Many people, myself included, will zero a .177 at 30 yards. This will be 'on the zero' between 14 and 37 yards.

    The attached .jpg images are taken from Chairgun and show the above scenarios. I have also attached them to show how useful the program can be for just this what-if info finding. Also it's pretty accurate when you put in accurate data about you rifle setup.

    View attachment 96152 View attachment 96153 View attachment 96154

    Hope this is of some use.

    Mark
     

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