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I think I've sorted it

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by James811, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. James811

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    Hey guys, as some of you may or may not know I've been having some issues with my stoeger x20 s. I'm a brand new shooter so have not blamed the gun totally yet. I've been shooting off of a shooting bag to improve my accuracy. Today I tried it without the bag and had much better success. Attached is the target I shot from about 12 or 13 yards with 10 pellets and I'm very happy with the grouping. The scope needs adjusting obviously down and left but I kept aiming at the bull to see how consistent I was. Any comments would be very much appreciated.

    Regards,
    James
     
  2. wizard1963uk

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    To be honest i would not be happy with that grouping myself
     
  3. James811

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    I'm still on my first tin of pellets so cut me some slack eh?
     
  4. Elk hunter

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    You or the gun either way it not a good group at that distance.
    Sorry!
    andrew
     
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    Yep. Not knocking you, but at that range you would expect much tighter groups. Do you know anyone else with a 'known good gun' that you can try so you can try that and see if its you or the rifle causing the issue. Likewise let them try yours to see if its any different / better.
     
  6. cloverleaf

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    To be fair you did ask for comments :rolleyes:

    At the risk of causing further offence, I'd be disappointed with groups like that at four times the range. From an entry level springer I'd expect groups of 1/2" c-c or less at that distance.

    Of course you're new to it all but the idea of shooting off a rest is to eliminate as much of the shooter's influence as possible, so don't take constructive criticism of group size as a slight on your abilities ;)

    Finally, what sort of pellets are you using? If you're using cheapo SMKs or similar, chuck them in the nearest scrap bin ASAP and get yourself a tin of something half decent; like RWS Superdomes :)
     
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    james give a bit more info? scope/pellets/mounts/how you holding rifle/ using a rest/ and feel sure you will get info to sort it. those stoegers should do 1/2inch groups at 30mtrs a photo of set up??
     
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    I'm using jsb exacts. The scope is a 3/9x40 I believe that came with the gun. No rest or anything just standing and shooting
     
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    hello, ok my take would be, superdomes/a 1 piece mount if not already fitted check fitting studs, a beany type bag to rest rifle on say a work bench/chair, a measured 25mtrs, scope mag to be determined by how clear target is with eye sight, at least 20 shots as will have some flyers maybe
     
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    Excellent advice!
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  11. Biker_Bob

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    Don't be put off by the harsh comments - if that's your first grouping you've done well.
    As others have said (but less diplomatically) you should be seeking to greatly improve that performance as you go along. Looking at the group it's pretty open, that means it doesn't look like you're doing anything consistently wrong when you shoot.
    The key is to hold the gun lightly and in exactly the same way every time, have you tried the artillary hold? It works for some. On some of my springers I touch my fingers to the stock screws, just so that I can be sure my fingers are in the same place each shot. Don't grip the gun at all, just rest it on your hand and caress the pistol grip with your shooting hand. Don't pull it back into your shoulder, don't jam your cheek onto the cheek piece.
    The pellets you are using can make a big difference, try some other quality brands.
    Most springers need a couple of tins of pellets to settle down and start shooting accurately.
    Stick with it - let us know how you get on.
     
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    here you go pal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOYSU5Lq7oA

    As Biker Bob mentioned - you should definitly give the artillary hold some range time - a springer needs to recoil, this hold allows the gun to move, it should dramatically improve your grouping... check your stock screws, put a peice of masking tape in front of both your mounts, both on the scope and the rifle to see if the scope is creeping.... also read up on shooting techniques, especially the part about breathing - this is probably THE most important aspect of taking a shot, followed by how you pull the trigger, and how you follow through - theres plenty of information about this online... basically you need to build up to the pellet hitting the target in stages, each requiring concentration until it becomes second nature, THEN you can start blaming the gun!!
     
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    but you asked for comment's and i gave you my honest opinion :) and if your stoeger is .22
    i will send you some test pellet's of different brand's free of charge
    atb
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    Is these are standing shots..then for a new shooter i wouldn't worry..standers can be hard to master at first ...now from a rest, that's a diff matter...I'd want pellet on pellet at 35 yards and beyond..I can now sit down and get pellet on pellet at 55 yards with no resting..it just takes practice...as already been said, try a few diff pellets and see what groups best for your rifle
     
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    I wasn't all that amazing a shot with my Hatsan Mod 60s. I think what is required is a ton more practise. Just time seemed to make me a better shooter. Not that I'm saying I'm the worlds best but I feel I've improved considerably over the 3 years I've been shooting.

    Oh and don't try to zero with standing shots.
     
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    Some of the above comments are a little harsh, perhaps. I wouldn't be happy with that group at that range, but I've been shooting since I was 13, and am now 35, so I've put a good few rounds down barrels by now. If that was my first go I wouldn't be that upset by any stretch.

    As mentioned above, you don't need to hang on to a recoiling rifle - the opposite is true. The skill with a springer is to allow it to react in the same way every time you pull the trigger. The hold has already been discussed, so I won't go into too much detail. As for trigger technique, you need to use both stages of your trigger; assuming you are steady on the target, using the tip of your finger, gently apply pressure until the first stage is taken up (this is when you feel the trigger "stop"). Following this you make sure that you are still aimed correctly and then gently but firmly push the trigger through the second stage. This is where getting to know your rifle comes to the fore - you have to know how much pressure you need to apply and how much the rigger "creeps" before the sear disengages and releases the action, shooting the pellet.

    I won't comment too much on whether standing is a good idea; suffice to say that I zero either sat on a chair or rested on a bench. I support the rifle by hand, never allowing it to rest, as when I take it into the field, I won't have a rest with me.

    So, remember, it's all about consistency. The same rifle, with the same pellets, will shoot pretty much identically every time - it's just the inputs of the shooter which change this.

    Good luck, stick at it, and don't worry about being told you're crap - when I started I was pleased to hit the A4 paper I'd drawn the target on.
     
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    The only thing that lets these forums down and puts newcomers off, are ill thought , abrupt , unhelpfull answers . Hope the guy gets his free pellets.... ?
    Otherwise I love reading all the wealth of information/stories/experience and piping in with some b*ll*cks from time to time ;) atb, rich.
    Give the lad a break , he sound like a polite , friendly chap .
    ps that group is not bad freestanding with the stoeger James.. probably the recoil is inconsistent too, not just the hold ?
     
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