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HW97K hunting issue

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Barni, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. Barni

    Barni Donator

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    Hi all im after any advice. I loaned my gun to my daughters fella as he has a rabbit problem on his land. He`s a decent lad ( also old enough ) so it was no problem to lend him it. He also shoots it better than me but i wont tell him that !

    He was telling me about last nights shoot that he did and he bagged 3 rabbits but he had a few problems. The first was a clean head shot at around 25m and it went over no problem. The second was about 28m and twitched a bit. The third was around 30-33m and he said it was a head shot but all it did was seem to daze the rabbit. He jumped out the hide and ran and dispatched it as quick as he could but stopped shooting after that as he thought the distance was too far and wanted to make sure he had clean kills.

    He wasnt sure if the the gun was low on power ? Im guessing the only way to tell is to get it chronoed ?

    Its a 0.20 cal and he was using H&N FTT pellets

    Any advice on this ?

    Thanks
     
  2. Accuspell

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    My 20 cal only puts about 10.8 ft-lbs out, but that is plenty to effect clean kills out to 45 yards. A head shot is not good enough on its own, you need to hit between the base of the ear and eye, depending on angle of presentation. The actual killing area on a rabbit is much smaller than people often think - ahead of the eye is just nasal cavity and upper mandible, not a fatal area. Likewise below is just the jaw. The actual killing area is not much bigger than golf ball, even if the head is the size of an orange.

    FTTs are a very good and effective pellet.:up:
     
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    hi barni also new to this use a hw100t for hunting but got 97k (NEW) also, chrono on it last week read 10.4,reading on sites that 11+ is good for headshot kills,the 100t is at 11.4
    cheers
     
  4. Barni

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    Thanks for the reply Accuspell. He has been shooting for about 10 years now with both air rifles and shotguns and has his own perm and land so at least he knows the value of a clean kill. I think its just my gun is quieter than his shotgun at home !! Maybe a slight twitch or turn of the rabbit head changed the POI so that caused the problem.

    Thanks dot1. I will get it chronoed this week and see what results i get. Too much work to let me shoot till the weekend !

    Thanks
     
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  5. jonbodthethird

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    Tbh I've got a 97k and I reckon what it is at about 30yrds the bunny bas just enough time to duck when it hears the spring going forward. The only way I got around this was tuning the gun and having the firing cycle quickened. And if it's a new one may I suggest having another silencer added. Not masses of money but worth the dosh. They are quiet anyway but takes another issue off the list. Don't want to put you mate down but do you also think it might be him too? Often or not people blame there tools but it's usually shooter error?
     
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    I think when tested the power required for a clean kill was something around 4 ft/lbs at point of impact...10 ft lbs at 30 yards is more than enough for a clean kill. I would suggest that, as previously mentioned, the shot placement was maybe not optimal resulting in a wounded animal. Tell him to print off and set up some targets shaped like a rabbit and aim for the gap just between the ear and eye. When he can continuously put 10 shots in that sort of area from different ranges go back to the fields. Atb
     
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    Also left to right winds?! Not easy to see on a open field! What about if you out some windage indicators out there to see what's going on with winds? That can make the most difference! Probably thinking about it it might well be that. If he's a good shot and the guns working well most of the time. Also holder over on a gun will dramatically change when you go another 10yards. My ft gun from 50yards is 37clicks then at 55 yards it's 53 clicks. But at 35 yards it's zeroed and 45 it's only 9 clicks there's loads to take into account other than gun error.
     
  8. Barni

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    Thanks for the replies. Some good thoughts and ideas to work on. Should hopefully get down there this weekend :)
     

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