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Question HW95 .20 - to .22, or not to .22, that is the question...

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 177, Mar 7, 2014.

  1. 177

    177 Donator

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    OK, bit of a daft one:

    I've a weekend home alone ahead of me and I'm already at a loss what to do with myself :rolleyes:

    Please remember this is a family friendly forum so any suggestion on what I can do with myself should be polite. Reasonably...

    ;)

    As some of you may remember I have an old HW95 with a bit of history to it. Formerly Venom tuned, now with a superb Vortek kit installed and a .20 HW80 barrel with one of Matt's silencers fitted, looks like this (top):

    [​IMG]

    It's a good rig, the quietest springer I have ever shot, running with low single figure consistency at around 11.1 FPE with .20 H&N FTT

    A combination of being home alone, my PCP being AWOL having some mods done on it, the fact that I happen to have a .22 HW80 barrel lying around, the weather's looking pants for fishing :( well, it all got me thinking (on a weekday too :rolleyes: )

    So, to .22 or not to .22 ?

    Would you ?

    Wouldn't you ?

    Should I ?

    Or not ?

    I don't drink but now might be a good time to start...

    ;)
     
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  2. mattyts

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    I wouldn't because what your setup is now,is the best of both calibers on a fantastic chassis,why change?
     
  3. Jackroadkill

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    Hmmm, tricky one. I think that if I'd gone to the bother of sourcing either the rifle or the barrel in .20 I probably wouldn't bother. However, I also like a tinker, so I might give it a try just for the hell of it - after all, you can always swap them back if you don't like it.
     
  4. mark.177

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    go ahead and swap em.... i'll buy your .20 barrel and shroud it for my 95:p
     
  5. 177

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    Looks like a .22 swap tomorrow morning, a quick chrono and, depending on the results, some range testing with a couple of different pellets and see how it shoots.

    As Jackroadkill says, I can always flip it back again...
     
  6. 177

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    Gun now looks like this:

    [​IMG]

    Starting at the bottom left and working up, this was my dialling in card shooting bend rested at 30 metres:

    [​IMG]

    And this is 5 shots at 30 metres, also benchrested, using .22 JSB Exact running at 11.57 FPE average:

    [​IMG]

    :D

    The .20 barrel is in the workshop while I decide whether to keep the gun as .22 or switch back to .20

    Given that I ran out of .20 pellets this morning it's staying .22 for the next few days at the very least :rolleyes:

    I hate an unsatisfied curiosity, but now I know what it's like :)
     
  7. JD

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    Quick get the .20 barrel in the sales section.

    First dibs mate. lol
     
  8. mark.177

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    too late JD i asked first:p
     
  9. JD

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    Don't like to sink your boat Mark, but I asked over 2 years ago when 177 had 2 of them. ; )
     
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    Oh poo....
     
  11. lone wolf

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    Ha ha you have caused something now barry lol

    I personaly loved my .22 hw80k but it was to long for my liking with a hw mod on, but yours looks really nice and compact even against your 99.

    So was iut just a straight barrel swap and no fettling internaly to get the power how it is? Apart from what kits youve previously mentioned?

    I like it! Noow you need to find a cheap hw to put that .20 barrel on:)

    Gaz
     
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    Well, either I disappoint one of them or disappoint both by keeping the .20 barrel myself ;)

    I am (read was) in the process of running the number of guns I have down. I've managed to get into single figure numbers for the first time in years :D

    As you say, I could look for another project *sigh* and drop the .20 barrel onto it.

    Hmmm...

    Maybe an HW80, sleeved down, and...

    No, wait, hang on, what just happened ?

    You're a bad, bad man Gaz...

    ;)

    I shortened the .22 barrel twice yesterday until I was happy with how it handled and ran.

    The gun's internals weren't touched at all - I had expected to have to slow things down a shade but in jumping from .20 to .22 power went from 11.1 to 11.57 average. That's a smidge higher than I like my springers to be, but not enough to get excited about, so it's getting left alone and used as-is for now.

    It might be my imagination but it feels easier to be accurate with now - I'm not making any wild claims about lower perceived recoil or other nonsense - I just seem to have to put less in to coax accuracy out, if that makes sense.

    This .22 barrel has seen better days so I think I will either buy a new one in if I decide to keep it in .22 or have this one blued to match the rest of the gun.

    For now though, it's going to get a good session this afternoon - if the weather holds I will try and get up to Stuart's range with a few springers and make a nuisance of myself for an hour or three :)
     
  13. lone wolf

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    :D i know what i would do!

    And when you say your thining your guns out i read that as you have had your eyes caught by a new rifle or a new idea you want to pursue........yes?

    Interesting to know the jump to and from both calibers is not a huge difference as it may be with 177 to 22.

    Sounds like you have a plan formulating for this lonely barrel already so i will let you think a bit more on it:)

    What lenghts the 22 barrel down to now then? Mine was 14" i think? It was 16" if i remember rightly but had 2" took of and had it screwcut,if it was shorter i would have been happier with it! Was just worried about power and accuracy.

    Ive been meaning to get up to swarlands to test out my new to me bsa superstar carbine and zero my new scope on my scorpion se but finding the time is hard with work and family:(

    Gaz
     
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    Just going back to FAC after 25 years away from it. I will always run some air rifles though - on some of my permissions they are the only viable option for effective rabbit control.

    I will measure the .22 barrel later and get back to you. It could easily go shorter but it handles nicely as it is so that's how it will stay for now.

    Stuart just texted to say thee are 8 shooters there at the moment so lunchtime onwards is likely to be a better bet :)
     
  15. JD

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    Given the power curve wasn't that much difference, changing from .20 to .22 I wonder if adding a .177 to the equation would throw up some interesting results ?

    Or would it be just as dissapointing as myself knowing, your not going to part with your .20 barrel. lol
     
  16. 177

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    Ironic that the springer in question started life as a .177

    Way back when Venom first tuned it, it still had its original .177 barrel on. Switching to .22 resulted in being well over the limit, as you would expect. Going the other way will see a drop, obviously.

    Given that I already have a .177 HW99S there's no point in a .177 HW95 as well.

    Been there.

    Done that.

    The HW99 is the one and only .177 gun I will own. I don't want or need any more in the smaller calibre.

    Not wanting to start yet another pointless debate I prefer .22 or .20
     
  17. lone wolf

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    Well seeing as its been a .177 , .20 , .22 , just go .25 for fun! Is there even a hw .25 barrel out there in the uk?

    I really like the hw99/95/80 and i was only put of my hw80k due to the length.
    To see your 95 nice and short and grouping like it is with power output like it has......its making me want another springer! I was all for saving for a .177 pcp but now the hw springer route is calling me again! I have my fave underlever so need a break barrel.

    The hw99 shoots better in .22 ive read and id want .177 or .20 so maybe a 95???

    177 it is you that is a very bad man for what your making my mind want!!!!

    I had my plan!

    Now its plans:D

    Gaz
     
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    Yes, but we already knew that didn't we ?

    ;)

    I thought about the .20 barrel a bit this afternoon while shooting at Stuart's range.

    I'm not getting an HW80 - I've had Venom, sleeved down, tuned standard internals and loads of other permutations and I came to the conclusion that adding additional weight to a gun that's already heavy to give it internals like the smaller and lighter HW95/HW99 is nuts.

    I was furious at Stuart's range earlier - I couldn't believe it. I actually missed a 30 yard spinner :(

    ;)

    A few folks had a go with my guns today at Stuart's.

    One chap said he was about to tell me my HW99s was the nicest springer he had ever shot, and then he shot my HW95 which blew it clear out of the water.

    Someone else said my 95 was the nicest springer he had ever shot, and both commented on how quiet and 'soft' it was on firing.

    Everyone wanted to know what had been done to the guns :)

    People were also very complimentary about the little Bushnell Legend Ultra HD 1.75-5x32 scopes I have on them, once they'd had a peep through, and once I'd told them what the primary and secondary zero ranges were they were happily giving the spinners hell :D

    It's always nice to get positive feedback :)

    It took a lot of work to get the 99 shooting this nicely - the .22 HW99s is a much better gun by far right out of the box.

    If I was going for a .177 right now I think I'd look at a Diana 280, preferably full length, but I'm done with .177 now, other than this little HW99. Apart from it, I won't be buying any more or using any more .177 air rifles.

    Period.

    I won't buy another HW95 either now that I know I can get the 99 shooting very well in both calibres. There simply isn't a case for the higher spend when you're getting the same trigger unit in a smaller, lighter gun that somehow contrives to not have the muzzle flip the 95 can be so prone to, for a chunk less cash. I've heard people bleating on about the height of the comb but I've had 3-9x40 Nikon Prostaff scopes on mine before without issue as well as the smaller Bushnell Legends. Who need more glass than that on a lightweight springer ?

    Back to the HW80, there's no mileage in me making a heavy gun heavier to get it shooting as well as it can when I can start off with a lighter option and enjoy very nice shooting manners.

    So, since the HW99s uses a different barrel, that leaves a .20 barrel lying in the workshop with no clear plan for its use...

    Mick (the logun-ator) was hammering the targets today at Stuarts with his rapid fire S16. I amused myself by trying to put him off - when he was knocking the resettable rat target kill zone I shot the reset a few times with the HW99. Didn't seem to put him off but you have to try ;)

    A grand afternoon was had by all, and it was nice to see so much interest in springers :up:
     
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    Well, I've .22'd and now it's time to .22 no more, at least as far as the 95 is concerned.


    The .22 barrel is coming off, the gun is going back to .20 and I'm shortening the .20 barrel and recrowning it before refitting the moderator.


    I have no issue with the gun being .22; in fact, it shoots really nicely in that calibre, I just already have various .22's to choose from, so by reverting the HW95 back to .20 I keep that calibre open to me, which gives me the HW99s in .177, the HW95 (soon to be back) in .20, the Theoben Sirocco in .22 and my Logun Dominator in .22


    I'm not counting the HW77 in .22 because someone has asked for that, so chances are I won't be owning it much longer.


    So the time to .22 has been and gone and I think I'd like the gun over the long term to remain a .20 calibre.


    So there we are - a worthwhile exercise in distilling things down to preference. Sometimes you just don't know unless you scratch the itch...


    ;)
     

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