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HW90 the best gas ram available ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Hoodster, May 22, 2014.

  1. Hoodster

    Hoodster Engaging Member

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    Available new that is, I would like a bit of everything in my collection so at some point one of these will be investigated are they any good ?
    Why aren't gas rams more popular aren't they like a springer with no twang ? Any points or opinions welcomed :)
     
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    The problem with them is the recoil, as it is unidirectional (ie one way) and that makes people who are used to the bucking bronco of coiled steel turn into quivering wrecks and scream about scope wrecking etc etc.

    Handled properly the 90 is a superb gun, accurate, quiet and capable of great things! I have one in my collection along with a gas rammed 60 S...
     
  3. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    What Moley said. Its more reminiscent of a small CF round, and all the better for it. The HW90 is ok, but an earlier Theoben Scirroco/Fenman/Taunus/SLR would be (and is) my choice.
     
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    Two things I wasn't massively keen on with my HW90:

    1. weight
    2. trigger

    Even for a Weihrauch the HW90 is heavy.

    In fairness, and on balance, the trigger is actually bad, it's just that after years of using the Rekord unit you get spoiled for almost everything else on the market.

    It's safe, predictable and ticks all the boxes - I just didn't like how mine felt and no amount of adjustment got me where I wanted to be.

    My mate's is a joy though, so I consider my old one an anomaly.

    One thing I couldn't fault was accuracy - it was a real tack driver once you get used to how to hold and shoot it.

    Lots to recommend them, if you can stand lugging all that weight around.

    Like Tinbum I went for an earlier Theoben example.
     
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    I thought the theoben's would get a mention they do seem to be the gas ram of choice for most, trouble is you can't buy new and finding one suitable for a left hander in a condition I want for my collection might not be possible that's why I was looking at the hw90 which seems to be unchallenged in the marketplace.
     
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    Donning my ever-popular tactful-and-non-controversial hat... :p

    I would say the aren't any good, for many of the reasons that also probably explain why they haven't usurped springers as the kings of the recoiling market. Having owned a couple of HW90s, I abandoned them on account of:

    - Poor trigger; not terrible and better than Theoben's offerings but not up to the standard of the Rekord on spring-powered HWs
    - Significant weight
    - Very sharp and harsh recoil despite weighing as much as a small family car
    - Inefficiency - I measured one at around 2/3 to 1/2 as efficient as a decent springer
    - Potential for leaking and reduced muzzle energy
    - Cost; more coin than a TX/77/97 and nowhere near as good

    Not with a barge pole IMO ;)
     
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    Egg Major Poster

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    Pretty sure the 90's trigger is a mash-up of a Webley (model escapes me - the one they initially welded on to the Fenman before they added the Theoben one) - it was...... alright, not a Rekord by any stretch of the imagination.

    The only Theoben trigger I liked was the one on the Olympus I used to have but even that was a bit industrial. All the other Theoben rammers I had were blessed by the stick of steel Theoben saw fit to add to them and, again, they were industrial, felt spongy and were hard to love.
     
  8. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Webley Omega Egg, it was the Webley Omega, which has now been transmogrified into the Quattro!
     
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    I had no end of problems with the safety catch on mine .... Got the gun changed in the end
     
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    Agree with the comments regarding Thoeben's triggers. The one on my Eliminator is basic to the point of laughability.
     
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    Interesting what people are saying about rams and Theoben triggers. I took mine to the vintage and springer day a week or two back and let folks have a go with them...the SLR disappeared for the afternoon going fromone pair of hands to another. I actually thought someone had stolen it....I got three offers to buy it there and then. One guy said, "you can't miss with this".....the Taunus hybrid of mine was also in demand to be prized out of my hands. Thankfully I refused all offers (and two were significant, one on each rifle)

    I shall say nothing more about them, because I get grief behind the scenes if I do...maybe mine are just better than the norm.
     
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    ^^ You have to admit though that the more modern Theoben's triggers were a hit or a miss as to whether they were just adequate or totally Censored.
     
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    Egg, what do you mean by modern?

    The youngest of mine is 2001. The SLR98
     
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    Anything from approx 2001/2002 onwards - the Evo springs to mind. Or rams to mind at least.
     
  15. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    If its got dovetails don't touch it!
     
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    I'm catching up after a looong break, I asked elsewhere why in the media gasrams are still being touted as a breakthrough new technology.
    I even discovered I purchased off the cuff the 1st pistol with a gasram thats kind of 25+ years behind the dragcurve...... Beats me?

    I had an HW90 and despite it's rather plain look in pictures, in the flesh it's bulk and vastness gives a reassurance of quality. Certainly if it was £ per ounce it's a good buy!!
     
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  17. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Yes that is on a 3 seater sofa, I called it Von Smallhausen!
     
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    That's a nice looking rifle :cool:

    My o.c.d won't let me be at piece without a gas ram in my collection :D but I think I'll try and shoot at least one before I purchase :)
     
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    Theoben did a Hw90 TB they used to advertise in the mags.

    Now that was a looker.

    My mate had the standard version when I was in my teens, and we once went out shooting squirrels on one of my permissions, it was as heavy as my TX Iirc, anyway he had bought it secondhand and it had obviously been pumped up, anyway I knocked a squirrel out of this drey for it to go around his side of the Tree, he lined up the shot and pulled the trigger, the gun made a weird sound and seized up totally, like the ram leaked all its guts out.

    Never did find out what he did with the gun, but as for best gasram, for me personally not in a million years, Fenman sirocco,Taunus, SLr88, the best gasrams ever inmo.

    But If the Hw90 is still being produced, its more than likey the best still available simply because HW make it, but a tuned HW80 makes more sense to me (or a 95)
     
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    I like my slr98 firing cycle, not sure if it's been tampered with by Mr Ben but it's all nice apart from the OKAY trigger
     

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