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Advice HW77 replacement

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by godzuki, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. godzuki

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    Hi folks,have a buyer lined up for my HW 77 full chambers kit and titan xs spring. Love the gun to bits and if it was a bit shorter it would not be going. Had a superten before loved the length and wieght. Was looking at replacing with lightening se till i learned built in spain by Gamo n a bit ruff.. Gone off pcp guns prefer my springers. So got £250-£300 what would you go for with the looks of a Superten and length,near to full power and the build quality of a Hw????? i just keep scratching my head and endless searching. Does'nt have to be new any feedback great cheers all :up::up:
     
  2. Akita177

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    Id advise to stay away from the lightening range.
    Id look towards the HW95 and HW99 though the carbines with the short barrels there is some muzzle report without a silencer, add a silencer and i guess there not much shorter then a full length HW77, bonuses are ease of use being a break barrel and lighter weight and i find the handling more point able.
    Carbine springers dont need really quiet silencers so maybe get HW95/99 and fitt the shortest silencer you can find.
     
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    my 95k is pretty light and i think the 99 is smaller?
     
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    got a little 4 '' mod on 77 its a great gun just long got a vulcan k its just right length just plain. Cheers
     
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    Yes not much in it really,main differance apart from stock is the 99s action is shorter & 15 mm barrel
     
  6. godzuki

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    Just a thought is there a shorter stock that fits my 77.
     
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    In selling the HW77 you're getting rid of arguably the most competently designed, innovative and influential sporting spring gun in the history of the sport.. so it will certainly be a hard act to follow.

    Conversely to the HW77, the Lighting is pretty much the worst offering in it's market IMO - I think you'd certainly be disappointed should you have the misfortune to part with cash for one.

    The HW break-barrels are decent (although not as good as the '77 IMO and not particularly short); I'd also consider the '77k, '97k and Air Arms TX200HC ;)
     
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    Cheers i supose its like selling a bmw and getting a kia pride thinking its as good HW v Lightening that is.:up:
     
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    I'd say that's a reasonable approximation, yes - although I think the Kia needs delusions of grandeur - perhaps it has a retrimmed leather interior and alloys :p
     
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    i disagree totally with that,the earlier mk1 lightnings with a tune (the british made not the later spanish made) arent far behind the hw stable,yes ok you have to tune them but ive seen the proof,if my 11 year old lad can knock 1" spinners off @ 50y then thats all the proof i need
    im not trying to say the lightnings are as good as the hw but i do think the later spanish made rifles have "tarred" the earlier better quality made british rifles
     
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    and all action sounds like a V12 remove the 8 track and fit a cassette player thats a big upgrade.:D
     
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    I'd agree that the later Lightnings are worse.. but then the earlier British varients are hardly great IMO - poor build quality, poor trigger, requirement to batter the 'scope rail into submission in order to remove the piston, non-ideal bore/stroke ratio, snappy firing cycle, plain-pinned breech pivot and associated lateral slop in barrel... I won't go on :p

    Fair play if yours does what you want it to, though :)


    Absolutely :p
     
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    that does sound like a fair list of problems,as you say ive probably been lucky but the rifle is like new and has had a tune,im sure youll agree though its not your average lightning considering its running at 11,3,ive heard weihrauchs that sound/behave a lot worse :up:
    [video=youtube_share;nrt7y7oVFxs]http://youtu.be/nrt7y7oVFxs[/video]
     
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    Ain't BSA springers being made in the UK again ? I'd of thought this would improve quailty.
     
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    be nice if they were,the bsa name was made in england rifles and motorbikes,in all honesty though these days i dont think "made in england" means half as much as bygone years unfortunatly :(
     
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    Doesnt matter if there made in england, there still poorly designed in england, guns designed and made decades ago still suppass.
    Springer triggers in 2014 feel like triggers from the 1940`s, pcps with trigger sear engagements using thread grubs screws, even the flagship R10 has a list of issues to long to list.

    One of HW`s biggest issues is the British importer cropping springs and not re finishing them to rough arse them to sub 12/ftlb.
     
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    thank goodness mines not like that!!!!!!
     
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    I know diana do a ultra carbine springers which look very short but side lever cocking never seen one so cant comment on it.
    Which HW77 do you have is the full lenght or HW77K?
     
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    Neil has the full length one, he swapped it from me for a Superten. Atb Paul
     

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