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Question Hw45 Sight "zeroing"

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Jo Cohen, Oct 6, 2020.

  1. Jo Cohen

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    I'm a first time air pistol owner and it's a new HW45. I posted earlier today about the missing spring in my rear sight. Now fixed. However just because I can adjust my fibre optic sight it doesn't mean I know how to do it accurately when I'm still at the "barn door" phase of shooting.

    So I put up a target and fire from 10m away. My shots are all over the place and utterly inconsistent. How do I zero my sights using any of these shots as a reference? There is no grouping or consistency therefore too many variables at play. I need to keep all the variables constant except one - the sight adjustment. How do I do it?

    Also, I'm very long sighted. I have one pair of glasses for reading and writing and one pair for driving. When shooting, either the target is blurred or the sights are blurred, depending on which glasses I wear. Any tips on obtaining greater accuracy given this "handicap" without the use of the word "varifocals" - they just don't work for me in daily life.

    ps. These are the first in a series of possibly annoying newbie questions. My apologies in advance and thanks to anyone responding.
     
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  2. talyllyn

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    Try shooting at 6 yards to begin with. If you are using full power try it on half power.
    And sights
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    Cheers
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  3. hughwp

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    Try just pointing at target you don't have to aim a pistol like you do a rifle.
    Some shoot pistols without sights at all
    use glasses so you see the target.
    fitting a scope or sight is another option
     
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    Your eye can only focus on one thing at a time. So aiming a target using a pistol, open sight, keep the front sight clear (focus on the front sight), a blurry rear sight and the target doesn't matter...

    A HW45 is not a very good starter option actually... Try 6 meters or closer, and try half power when cocking at the beginning is good advice~ when you get to know a bit of this beast, and at least you can zero your gun, then go further....
     
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    Great advice above. I have an HW45 but it isn't my pistol of choice for high accuracy shooting. It's not that the pistol is inaccurate just the recoil from the beast takes some taming and it will always be a bit of a handful, I think it might have been designed to replicate the feel of a handgun without the need for real ammo.
    To get the sights adjusted you will need to shoot two handed preferably using some kind of a rest to get some consistent shot pattern to work with.
     
  6. Jo Cohen

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    Thanks all for the rapid late night replies. I’ll sleep on that and dream of accuracy ;-)
     
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    The HW45 is actually a very good gun ~ love mine~ and it really need some (some some some....) time to get used to its recoil and sensitive on holding...

    However, I don't think using a rest is a good idea as the rest usually will make your body parts not moving naturally... To my experience, the HW45 balances itself very well! So your two hands are actually just form a platform for the gun to sit in your palm naturally, when you pull the trigger lightly without scares the beast... It just shoots by itself so well even without a jump in the hand...

    Every time I shoot my HW45, when I feel the resistance or recoil or slightest jumping from any direction, I know I hold it wrong and I missed...
     
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    To improve the sight picture, I have a bit of black plastic with a 1.5-2.0mm hole in it, attached to the lens on a pair of plain glasses (eg. safety/cycling/costume - no prescription). This is in effect like a camera lens having the aperture at minimum to improve depth of field, so it sharpens up the target and the sights all at the same time. You could also get something called 'Eyepal', but £25 for a sticker with a hole in it is a bit rich for me!
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eyepal-G...156214?hash=item564d2fa7b6:g:oa0AAOxyuCJRfJJP

    I have found with my 45 that the POI changes a lot between full and half power, so I just shoot at full now. The main thing with any shooting discipline is consistency of hold and a 'shot routine' - a repeatable sequence of events leading up to the point when you look at where your round has gone, but NOT the point where you pull the trigger!
    Many people put the gun down immediately after pulling the trigger to peer at the target, and do not 'follow through'. This is the deliberate action of keeping the gun on target after the shot to take a mental note of the events, and learning to call the shot - basically getting familiar with the action of the gun by repetition to then be able to say where on the target you have hit.
    Not easy with the 45, but training your muscle memory to do the same thing every time, (stance, lift, breathing, hold etc.) you will start getting smaller groups, then you will be able to adjust the sights to get you POI right. One great thing about the 45 is the trigger, it's light and predictable, so you can focus on the sight picture rather than a heavy, distracting pull that will more than likely alter the POI.

    And there will always be flyers! ;)
     
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    Thanks again everyone. There must be many decades of collective experience going into these replies. HW45 gold. I’m going to print them out and keep them together for reference. Read frequently and inwardly digest...
     
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    You could try an Beeman p17 which is very cheap at £70 and also very accurate ,you won’t be missing the target. I own a 45 and shot thousands of pellets through it. It’s definitely a pistol to master and take time and some money’s worth of pellets:D
     
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    The first thing Jo is not to get despondent at your lack of accuracy, the 45 is a beast of a gun that takes time to master. I shot this this morning, 6 mtrs with a match pistol, most definitely not a 45. While I’m happy with it others here would wipe the floor with me using the same pistol. If I were to get all 5 within the black, two handed, with my 45 I’d be more than happy bordering on the overjoyed. In fact I might just have a go at that tomorrow for hits & giggles. Don’t worry about zeroing, at this stage getting a tight group is what you’re aiming for (pun sorry), just keep aiming at the same point every time and follow the very good advice from all those above.

    Welcome to AGF.

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  13. Jo Cohen

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    Thanks again for all the advice everyone. This morning the postman arrived with a box of Bisley "Long Range Gold" pellets. I can't remember why I ordered them as I have plenty of others. Anyhow, from my office door I fired 3 with my HW45 at 3 tin cans 10m down the garden. I hit all three. I was very chuffed with myself. It was probably nothing to do with the pellets but it did get me thinking about what weight and shape is the ideal for a non-hunter like me to get the best results from my HW45. I'm going to post a separate question about it now...

    Addendum: Having done a search for "HW45 pellets" on the forum I realise there is probably enough information for me to narrow down the choice of pellets.
     
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    :welcome:

    Having just got my own 45 I can understand your frustration but I have also found it a lot of fun! I am still learning how to shoot it but I have found that using a two handed grip and resting my wrists on my shooting bag rest with the 45 being held in front of the bag has helped a lot in getting half decent groups. That and trying a few different pellet types, so far jsb exact 4.52, h&n ftt 4.52 and umarex mosquito flat heads have all worked well. I started off at 6M whilst pellet testing and can now hit coke cans at 25 yards unrested, just take your time and practise.

    Good luck and happy shooting :)
     
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    if you are going to shoot the HW 45 use a good Weaver Stance
    strong hand pushes and weak hand pulls
    when shooting .45 ACP that was the method and if done correctly as taught, your cuffs of pants are the only thing that moves

    of course the HW 45 will not do that but hold the pistol still will be a good thing
     
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    Mine was tuned and used a little bit softer Maccari spring so it's not very 'beast', however still a lot harder kick than other similar guns... But I now like to use this kind of method to tight hold the 45 and enjoy the recoils~
     
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    It's an odd thing with the HW45 but when you switch to half power, assuming you are shooting currently on full power, the POI ( point of impact) is considerably higher.
    That seems counter intuitive but has to do with the slower exit of the pellet from a barrel which is kicking slightly.
    The converse is true of course, you will hit lower when you switch from half to full power.
    hth
    Jim
     
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    I find full power easier to get accurcy plus sights don't go low enough for half power. Been told it's due to recoil delay on full power
     
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    it's not an 'odd' thing actually... Even the half power can blow the pellet out to 20 yards and further, and we are shooting the gun in a close distance to its max range actually, so the pellet is still flying up at this distance, and lower the power means the max range is shorter, but the curve rate of the trajectory is higher and you will meet the highest point of the trajectory faster... This makes the POI on the target goes higher than using full power...
     
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    'recoil delay' is another story. I think you mean the slower speed of the pellet makes it miss the POA because the mistake of the shooter affects the pellet before it leaves the muzzle, right?

    In another word, if the pellet flies fast enough (like the powder burner, 9mm pistol which shoots more than 1000fps to up to even close to 3000fps), even the recoil makes you throw the gun to the air after pull the trigger, the POI won't be affected as the bullet left the short barrel a long time ago before the recoil makes you react on the gun...

    So, 'follow through ' is actually very important when shooting air guns, because the muzzle speed just so slow and keeping everything steady until you see the pellet hit at the target will increase your accuracy ~
     

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