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HW35 E

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by engraver, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. engraver

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    I have the above rifle in very good condition, bluing very nice, its got fixed sling studs, nice walnut stock, with a hogsback low cheekpiece.

    Got new breach seel and shoots nice just maybe a little underpowered but smooth with no vibe, also has the ooensights fully in tact.

    its a .22 with long barrel, like I say very cleen good condition, not a sight of rust or pitting, better bluing than some newer hws I would think.

    I have no idea how old it is but I would say probably older than me, early 70s maybe, its one of the old classic hws anyway.

    Can anyone kindly tell me what it is worth?

    ATB Elliot.
     
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    You can date it from the serial number, see here half way down, which may help with a valuation.

    Photos really are needed IMO. No safety, single sided, small chequering "goatee" in front of the trigger guard? etc. Somewhere in the £200-250 region, .177s fetch a moderate premium IME.

    You can still buy a '35E (c.£280) but the oldies are probably better, higher quality stock blanks, more pronounced palm swell, better finish. The long barrel is period correct, the new ones use the standard 19" tube, more practical but not "right" for an export perhaps.
     
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    Thanks buddy big help Ill check serial number later.
     
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    1979 mate the year I was born and the bluing is mint, Ive just done the stock today that's all it needed.

    Will the piston seal be leather on this one then?

    I didn't want to strip the internals to be fair as it shot pretty nice, and the spring looks as clean as the exterior it was just the trigger that needed working free that's all, should be mint when Im done.

    So given the age what kind of money would it be worth?
     
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    Mate strip her down you know you want to, they are piece of p**s to strip and built like tanks and a man with your capability will have no problems, no sash clamps required just be careful as you unscrew the last threads. 79 not sure if they had changed from leather then. Does it have the annoying clack when you cock it? Earlier ones did. One of the best looking spring guns in my opinion but I found them a biatch to get much above 10 fpe out of.
     
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    Should be. The serial number list compiled by Mick (T20) also indicates a number of changes by serial number.

    843636 (1980) onwards: Synthetic piston seal, Transfer port reduced from 4.0mm > 2.8mm, and double sided safety. The original information is quoted by John Walter in The Airgun Book (3rd.ed), supported by Beeman. (Beeman had the HW35EB model, an Export using the standard 19" barrel, like the current 35 E).

    Engraver yours should be a leather seal , check the TP size to confirm.

    Converting to a synthetic seal was a popular "upgrade" back in the day, but a 4mm TP and synthetic seal is unlikely to result in a nice shooting gun like you mention IMO. Unsurprisingly they tend to be slammy.

    Value? I'd have a go at £250 which is the top end I've seen them go for complete with open sights. Might be a little rich for a .22, but you never know and leaves some wiggle room.
     
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    Thanks to both of you yes it has a click as you cock it, yes single sided safety, yes the bigger transfer port, and yes it shoots low on power although Im waiting for a breach washer to confirm it.

    I do not want to go synthetic as you say 18 wheeler it shoots nice as it is no vibe like the hw80/85/95.

    Shame you cant get hold of the original leather ones isn't it?
     
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    I have a 1974 HW35 leathered washered in .22 just fitted a brand new piston and leather washer and a new cocking arm all new Weihrauch parts shoots like a new rifle it only cost me £100 , a mate of mine who also seems to amass 35,s has both a 35E and a chromed vixen both in .177 knowing what he paid and myself have paid ,value in the range of £175/80 for a .22 as its the .177 that are more valued as it was .22 that where sold in greater numbers.good luck in your sale if you decide to sell.As a thought I would strip just to check the state of the washer might just need a soak in Neetsfoot fluid just to soften it , have come across 35E which when you check the serial no ,s where just a 35 with a stock change maybe due to a cracked stock or something and never a E in the first place
     
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    One of my Exports has the large TP in .22 & is only doing about 6 ft/lb.Its leather seal is fine for age but the inner washer is cracked.The spring is a cut down square section which is not going back in.
     
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    Ive got a 35e with a 19 inch barrel and thought it was a standard 35 with an E stock fitted as Dave above say's . Looking in an old Airgun World you could order a 35e with the 19" barrel and you could order a standard 35 with the 22" barrel :confused: at added cost , I'm sure when I bought a 35E back in 1979 that it had 35E stamped on the barrel block but have seen Exports with the normal 22" barrel with just the HW35 stamp
     
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    Still looking for a breach that says 35E mine don't but seem to think my mate had one with it on.Exports were available in 19" & 22" as you say,i have a 1969 35 Standard with 22" barrel all original matching numbers on barrel breach & block.
     
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    So how do I make sure mine is an original E model?

    It doesnt say E on the block but I can clearly see the stamping or engraving in the block is older than any other hw ive seen before.

    Im pretty sure this is an orginal gun although its up to you guys to decide ill put some pics up of the block later.
     
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    I think it will be an Export most likely, very few people had a 35s with 22" barrel & then added an expensive Walnut stock after.The only sure way is Herman & see how it left the factory.
     
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    Hi Mick also got a 1979 Vixen with an E stock fitted and a 19" barrel but when I got it to bits the chrome internals were gone and there was a piston with a synthetic seal in it . Have changed the piston back to leather seal as supplied by my pal Davymole and new breach seal and Welsh Willy kit and only doing 8ftlbs :confused: the TP size is 3.6mm think there may be a few mongrels about ATB mike
     
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    This is my gun Im just finishing the stock at the moment, [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

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    What do you guys think, didnt only the exports have factory fitted sling swivels?
     
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    Looks nice.

    The HW35 L (de Luxe/Luxus) also had sling swivels fitted and walnut stock, but lacked the pistol grip cap and more finely formed cheekpiece. Weihrauch used the best figured blanks for the E and the remainder for the L supposedly. Hopefully you see some nice figuring when the first coat of oil goes on.
     
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    ill post some more pics later the stocks nearly done, its not bad a lot nicer than it was anyway.

    I haven't chronoed it yet but I supect it will be down, as the breach seal was disintegrating.

    Im just wondering if I can still buy a leather piston seal for it?
     
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    I have had a couple of older HW35's in for re-springing / service, they both had the leather seal fitted, the owner on one wanted a synthetic 30mm piston seal fitted, I did the business new adapter new seal and the firing cycle changed completely, the power was very low and it didnt feel good, it was originally doing 8.4 ft lbs with the leather seal in place and old bent spring, I made a WW kit, fitted the new seal and the power was below 7ft lbs WTF ?? stripped it down changed spring same power output, I replaced the synthetic seal for the old leather ( it was in good cond tbh) and the power shot up to 10.70 ft lbs..

    If you have an old leather seal and it looks good & performs good leave it where it is, just lube it up slightly, change the spring or add a kit if more power is needed. the Old HW35's do like the leather seals.

    Will.
     
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    Ive just put it all back together, shes a lovely old girl.

    New breach seal in, and a few shots over the chrono, 10.7 to 11.0 no doubt it has the leather washer in, as its shoots so sweet I fully expected to see about 7 ft/ibs, no vibe whatsoever, im really pleased with it.

    I thought I would chrono it before stripping it as I really thought it was down and expected to have to strip out everything, but when they shoot this nice it really is pointless, don't think it could be improved on with any kit, so there she is a 1979 unmolested classic, Ill probably take it out tonight and try for a bunny or two, it will be a great nostalgia trip.
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    Just don't know what to ask for it now? any ideas guys?
     
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    Power is where you want it plenty enough for .22,looking well i would say it was a 35E it has all the things it should have.
     

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