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Good news Hw110, Back In The Game + Shot Count & Power Output

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Czure, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Czure

    Czure Active Member

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    Skip to 4th & 5th paragraphs for shot count & chronograph reading + 8 & 10 for warning + an excellent quick detach fill probe + Gun Tuff Quick Coupler problems:

    When I joined the forum a short while back I had a list of guns to try before making a final decision, some have now been discarded & the Sapsan, Uragan Compact & Impact MK2 have been added, however some haven't yet been released & others haven't yet been available to try without committing to buy, or they're just proving hard to get at before they've all been collected by buyers. Until I've tried as many as possible I don't plan on paying £1000 to £2000 for a gun I've never held, so I decided to get myself a stop gap to see me through until I've tried out my wish list rifles.

    I visited a well stocked local RFD & tried various guns & came away with a shiny new HW110 ST in .177 for £640, also got a new 5 ltr Bisley tank, gauge, whip, & boot for £150 & a free tin of JSB Exacts, saving £110 all in on the advertised prices (plus a free £60 moderator, read warning below for reason). I Would've opted for a HW100 but sadly even the small weight differences are a huge deciding factor for me due to the old glass back.
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    2 weeks in & I couldn't be happier, the 110 fits me very nicely & with a Hawke Eclipse 3-12x50 scope & a bipod it's still just light enough not to cause discomfort when lugging it around, or during long sessions. It's extremely quiet with the Weihrauch mod' & I've found cocking smooth & precise with mag' fitting easy enough once a method to suit me was found. I considered switching the mag' release to the left, but realised it would be better & probably easier to switch the stop pin over so that the mag' can be easily popped out to the left with the fingers of my right hand whilst holding the release lever up with my right thumb, dropping the empty into my left hand which will be holding a fresh mag' that can be inserted as soon as the empty is in my hand, making mag' changes a breeze.

    After a couple of hundred initial pellets using some old Scalemead Hustler Pointed pellets I topped up to 200 bar, then at 30 yds managed 13 mag's down to almost 80 bar (in the yellow) before seeing a definite fun's over drop off in accuracy with mag' 14, that's 125+ usable shots & the gun was far from run in at that point.

    I then ran the gun in more using my remaining mixture of approx' 600 Hustler's & Eley Wasp pellets that I'd had lying around for decade's, then after a good barrel clean I put 20 of the Exacts through to re-lead before putting it on the chrono'. The Exacts are 4.52 mm & 8.44 g and a 10 shot string gave an average of 11.10 ft/lb with an average speed of 771.87 fps. As I've never used a chrono' before I was glad one of the range staff offered to do it on this occasion, as it was there's & the last thing I wanted to do was b****r it up, but after close observation I'll be more than happy doing it myself from now on. I'll check regularly with the pellets I find best to ensure things stay legal & to also keep an eye out for any power drop, though I can't see reaching 12 ft/lb or over regardless of pellet as long as no fiddling with the guns power ever gets done.

    After over 25 years away from shooting I definitely need plenty of range time practice to improve before ever going back to live quarry. At 20/25 & 30 yards the Wasp's & Hustlers gave some nice groups but way too many were spread all over & around the 2" spots with a good number of way out fliers. The Exacts showed a nice improvement with nowt that much bigger than a 10 pence piece at 30 yd, other than the odd flier down to me, but I only put 60 through including when leading in, but not counting the 10 through the chrono' so I reckon they'll improve so long as I can.

    Got a tin of RWS Superfield 4.52mm, 8.4 g which I've not tried yet, so I'll give them a go once I've got through the Exacts to see how they fare, if not too happy I've got a huge selection of sample packs to have a play with including some H&N FTT which some have reported as good with these guns barrels.

    Warning- Check carefully if buying new from RFD. Mine isn't a Hull Cartridge import as the RFD uses 3 suppliers for Weihrauch, on checking the gun & ensuring everything was in the box I noticed the moderator looked much slimmer than usual, closer inspection showed it to be a muzzle brake which the shop wasn't aware of, so I've got a very nice muzzle brake & a new £60 Weihrauch Mod' added for free as the shops website advertises these guns with mod' included, so if you get a new HW110 (or HW100) check everything, unscrew the mod' & look inside to check it's not just a muzzle break shaped like a moderator.

    I took me old dad along for a ride when I went to the shop & of course he couldn't resist and got himself the HW110K for the same price of £640, so that's us both happily returned to shooting after a very long break. That is a HC import & stamped as such, and I have no worries about mine regarding warranty as I've confirmed the serial number is correct & any issues will get sorted by the RFD, for piece of mind I also confirmed the serial for the 110K at the same time.

    I bought a quick fit fill probe thanks to a recommendation in another AGF post, you'll find the probes here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293108316231?ul_noapp=true If sold out contact the seller as I'm sure he'll sort you out, they're excellent probes made to fit Best Fittings couplers. BEWARE: I'd bought a Gun Tuff Quick Coupler Starter Kit at £10 cheaper than Best Fittings kit but the probe was approx' 1mm too long to lock into the coupler, I rang the seller & he said to post it back with one of the Gun Tuff quick coupler adapters and he'd reduce the probes back end to match, sent 1st class for just over £1 in order to get it back quicker & got em back 5 days later. It's now a rock solid fit & works perfectly, Mark the seller's great to talk to & was happy to sort the problem without issue, & because I was happy to pay to send the probe back with 1 of the Gun Tuff adapters for him to measure he put a free 2nd probe in the return for me dad, you can't get better service than that. The Gun Tuff kits are OK & their adapters when screwed onto the original fill probes work perfectly with Best Fittings couplers (used at range), however Gun Tuff's coupler obviously has approx 1mm less clearance so as with these probes chances are Best Fittings adapters won't lock in. Also the plug with the Gun Tuff kit doesn't seal in the coupler to check air tank pressure like the Best Fittings plug does, it looks like it should, locks in fine & doesn't shoot out when pressurised but it leaks badly, so it's just a dust plug. Had I known these issues beforehand I would've paid the extra £10 for the Best Fittings kit.

    So all in, I haven't got a gun from my wish list just yet and I didn't even get a do for now gun that I'd originally considered, but what I have got has made me one happy chap & may very well stay with me once I do upgrade. Of course if I continue shooting with the accuracy of a half set bowl of jelly I'll save the money & just keep the 110 & forget about a return to hunting, won't stop me nicking me dads carbine to treat the rats to some lead though, dirty nasty little *******.

    That's all for now, if I come across any problems I'll let folk know, and i'll update any info' on pellets and chronograph tests, as well as the tests with the 110K once done. Will also let folk know how I get on swapping the mag' stop pin over. Happy shooting all.
     
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    Tried putting a photo in but seems it's not a simple case of browsing to them on your PC, will add one once I've sussed it out.
     
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    Ha ha, found it, easy once you find the Upload a File button, don't know why it's not in the top toolbar though, unless I'm still missing summat. HW110 SoftTouch Sporter.jpg
     
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    Glad you're enjoying it. The 110 is not every one's cup of tea but if it makes you smile then job done. :up:
     
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    Cheers bud. I know there's plenty don't like them for one or even several reasons, but then there's others who love em & even the much loved HW100's have had their problems & their knockers.

    The 110's are without doubt a cheapening of 100's & some sellers are asking silly money for them, but I'm well pleased with this for the price I paid for it along with all the other the kit. I also have no issue with the polymer block because if Weihrauch didn't use it & everyone else avoided it we'd never know how it fares over time.

    The 110 K was only manufactured in March' & my 110 in April, both this year, so I'll just have to hope they don't develop any of the reported problems of the past.
     
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    I have a 110 myself ( I didn't want it but long story ) and although I prefer my custom 100 there's plenty to like about it.

    Admittedly the mag is a bit fiddly at first but I soon got the knack of it after half a dozen or so reloads and I actually like the soft finish of the stock. Cocking action is lovely and smooth and I prefer it's lever to the 100's as it's wider and so easier and more comfortable to grip. Shoulders nicely and just as accurate as it's sibling. :up:
     
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    Not aswell made as the 100 but I quite like them and the k looks like a great ratting gun

    Sounds like you're having fun and that's what it's all about :)
     
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    Bang on about the cocking lever there QuoVadis69, never used a rifle with a lever before so can't compare but these have been very smooth & precise from the start, & the soft touch is not only nice & warm at all times but provides excellent grip.

    Bagster66, as for the K, it's so short & lightweight you almost feel as though you could slip it into the inside pocket of your jacket when done shooting, but when shouldered it's rock solid & as perfectly pointable as anything I've ever held, including bull pups and would surely remain so with any night vision set up you installed. Only way they could improve them in my eyes would be to make an auto cocking & loading version like some of the new rifles coming along now a days, now that would be a dream for shooters & a nightmare for rats. They're also lovely and quiet with the Weihrauch moderator, so much so that one fella at the range came over to ask what pellets I was using because he could actually hear the pellet in flight from several feet to the side of me, they were the old Scalemead Hustlers I had which have 2 sealing rings just behind the pointed head.

    Most of what I've learned about these is thanks to the excellent write up & dismantling by Mike (cloverleaf) back in May 2018 & found here: https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/commu...-hand-look-inside-the-weihrauch-hw110.244341/ and from some of the comments left there. Mike's review doesn't scream "avoid at all costs" but he does say he wouldn't buy one due to the problems (present at that time) & due to the price. I agree price wise as I see these advertised for well over £700, and considering I only intended this as a stop gap gun, had I not got it reduced to £640 along with the discounts + freebies for the other items due to buying all together I simply would've looked at other guns. However he also says he wouldn't buy a HW full stop due to bad experiences in the past, it would be interesting to hear his (and others) thoughts on the 110 a year & half on from that review.

    It's a pity Weihrauch decided to make the 110's a bit of a pig to pull apart & without Mike's write up I may not have considered attempting to swap the mag' stop pin over myself. It's a pity the cylinder doesn't seem removable without a fair bit of stripping down first, because only then will I discover if the pin can be punched out without risk of damage, but I'll have a look & see how it goes.

    It also seems he was right about the lack of parts becoming available for tuning & self repair, I truly hope this isn't the permanent direction being taken, not only by Weihrauch but by other makers, although given the number of anti-tamper implementations appearing these days it's looking that way, just like cars were you now need specialist equipment, tools & software to do what were once the simplest of jobs, all aimed at increasing revenue for the garages & manufacturers alike.
     
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    Not been able to get much of what I planned on doing done due to being busy with jobs at the gun range. Also been testing out some 12 shot magazines from SMW Engineering, very nearly there with those & I reckon the next version will have them nailed.
    I've been updating on Mike's excellent HW110 strip down thread here: https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/commu...he-weihrauch-hw110.244341/page-5#post-2325905
    So if you don't see any updates here for the jobs I plan or the 12 shot magazines, have a look at that thread, if you don't already follow it.
    Here's hoping I get everything done over the next couple of weeks
     

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