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Hw Tuning Vs Drop In Kits

Discussion in 'Technical' started by ejcb, Dec 15, 2019.

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  1. ejcb

    ejcb Newbie

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    Hello all,

    Many years ago I had a SFS 95K in .177 and sold it.

    I am now looking to acquire a 95K or 97K and get it nicely tuned, to full power (11+ Ft/Lb).

    A smooth shot cycle, with reduced noise and hold sensitivity is the goal.

    Appreciate there are many threads regarding tuning, but I wanted to try clarify things.

    At present it appears there are two options, DIY drop in and a full tune where the rifle is sent away.

    At present I have identified the following as good options with excellent reviews:

    DIY Drop In
    Tinbun
    Wonky Donky

    Full Tune
    Nick Gibney - 22mm Conversion
    Wonky Donky

    I imagine there could be members who own / owned / tried various kits / tunes of the above selection - could they advise on their experience?

    Appreciate the full tune is pricier than the kits, however I don't know whether the price and performance ratio is worth it?

    Advice appreciated!

    Thanks!
     
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  2. foxtrott

    foxtrott Pro Poster

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    Hi you need a fast firing cycle in a 95 I've always put the vmach kit in a 95
    A lot of people mention muzzle flip etc with a quick cycle I think the pellet has left the barrel before it can be affected by flip etc I also go for a heavier silancer aswell
     
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  3. gtfreight

    gtfreight I want to retire.

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    I have a fully tuned Wonky Donky 95 that Dave short stroked, lightened the piston, fitted custom guides and a si-cr spring plus he altered the transfer port and it's really nice with no muzzle flip.
    It was done by the previous owner at a cost of £160 plus £20 postage.
    Would I recommend it? Yes but I would also recommend a more cost effective drop in kit from Tin Bum which I have had fitted to my old TX and my current 97.
    There are others on here that make up drop in kits, and I'm sure their followers will be posting to advise on them, but I have only experience of Tin Bum.
     
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    I’ve had drop in kits from tbt , they do improve performance no doubt and his service is superb.
    I’ve send springs to shauny for custom guides .fit ,workmanship ,performance and service is absolutely brilliant.
    I also had a nick gibney full tune this is far more expensive. But it involved re-engineering and remaking the power plant of the rifle , the set up and chrono testing with pellets of choice. His service is also first rate so to his workmanship.
     
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    Hi ejcb,
    I own the following tuned rifles,

    HW 97K .177 highly polished internals with a Sandwell drop in kit.
    Classic full length HW77 stage 2 tuned from Sandwell.
    AA TX 200 stage 4 tuned by Rat Works.
    FWB Sport 124 with V-Mach kit professionally fitted, plus a few tweaks.

    THEN I have,
    FWB Sport 127.


    AA Pro Sport " untouched" from new.

    The best tune any rifle and yourself can benefit from is Practice, practice, practice and then some more.

    My untouched Pro Sport will hold its own with any of the above, I promise you and saying that all of the above are superb, your personal preference and practice are the key.

    Good luck :thumb:
     
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  6. cooper_dan

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    Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% agree.

    There's a lot to be said for personal preference also, as there is no 'best' tune.
    I've shot some rifles that were claimed to be super tuned 'like a pcp' and, for me, they were horrid. So if possible test other peoples first.

    In my HFT springer I've ended up with almost standard internals with well fitting guides. So not far off a drop on kit.
    For me, proper stock fit has more of a positive effect on shot cycle and hold sensitivity than anything else.
     
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  7. robs5230

    robs5230 You don't need a sledgehammer, to crack a nut

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    The 95 in .177 is a cracking base for a tuning project. One that I put together a few years ago was probably one of the best springers I've ever shot.
    Plenty of choices of drop in kits available. Though just bear in mind, tuning involves a fair bit more than just fitting some delrin.
    TBT
    @shauny
    Plenty of others

    As for the full tune, I'm not sure anyone has managed a 22mm kit for the 95 yet. And last I heard, Dave Price (Wonky Donky) wasn't taking any work on due to his health.
     
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  8. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Pro Poster

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    I can’t get on with the 95 - too hold sensitive for me

    But I have a full length 77 that has TBT guide and short stroke putting out 11ftlb and it’s amazing to shoot

    Shauny here also does amazing guides fitted to springs - he has my 80 stuff (or soon will) for matched guides and bearings on the piston!

    Can’t wait!!
     
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  9. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    This is the single biggest issue you have, and one none of us can answer :oops:

    Lots of good advice and views above, but your view of something being "worth it" will probably differ from someone else's, perhaps considerably, so I'd recommend you to go for the best you can afford, at least that way you know you have got the best you could have got, and don't have a nagging feeling that your gun is nice, but could have been nicer :rolleyes:

    I only say this as your asking about drop in kits which are typically £30/50 and self fit, or a full tune which is more like £150 - your question should be to yourself - "do I want to spend the extra £100 to have it done properly" or am I fine to give it a go and live with the fact it's my own work, which can be very fulfilling, but probably not as good as a professional could do?

    I've got examples of both, my more expensive gun was professionally done and I've just done some home servicing of it's internals to keep it running well. Another couple I have are not worth spending £150+ on TBH, so I've gone the home route for a bit of fun and satisfaction of doing them up to a good standard :thumb:
     
  10. PhatMan

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    ejcb,

    Drop In Kits : Shauny, Wonky Donky, Welsh Willy - excellent workmanship on these kits. I have used them and heartily recommend them.

    Tune : Shauny, Wonky Donky - again excellent workmanship - Shauny's 'full-tune' of my HW99S, and Wonky Donky's 'full tune' of my HW95 Super Match were superbly & skillfully executed, and the rifles shoot sublimely.

    Have fun :)

    Best regards

    Russ
     
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  11. ejcb

    ejcb Newbie

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    Many thanks for all the speedy and detailed replies - it is much appreciated!
     
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    For info NEW HW95's have a really good spring ( if anyone might know when this change happened) a bit too strong ( need 1 to 2 coils squashed).
    Just be aware as you may in your new upgrade get the same spring you/ is taken out.
    A de-grease, polish,synthetic sleeve( betwix spring and HW metal sleeve) made/ fitted,conservative re- lube and trigger polish,will likely give you an incredibly consistent gun just a few feet per second difference with good/ weighed pellets( AA/ JSB)
    £0 cost 2-3hrs labour ( the 1st time)(£0 if you do it yourself)(
     
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