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Hw 100 Bullpup - A Review

Discussion in 'Airgun Reviews' started by Hampshire Tog, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. Hampshire Tog

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    Some time back in August, feeling the irresistible urge for a new rifle, not that I need any more but I just like trying new things, I went poking around the web, always a dangerous thing to do after quaffing a little ale. The HW 100 BP caught my eye and after fumbling for the credit card and entering the numbers through bleary eyes, the order was placed.

    I didn’t debate for long over which length to get. I like bullpups and I like carbines but if bullpup equals ’short’ and carbine equals ‘short’ then a bullpup carbine is a short short rifle. In my humble opinion, there is something of the Nerf Gun about the bullpup carbine version of the HW 100 and I prefer the gravitas of the full length version plus the 100+ shot count in .177 with the full length air cylinder.

    I placed my order with Pellpax and after a delay of two weeks while they waited for the scope offered in the bundle (Optisan 3-12 x 44) to be delivered, they sent me a message two days in advance informing me the delivery would be at 8 am on the following Saturday. Perfect! My shooting day. In the event the rifle was delivered to my door at 07.50 am. It came with the scope already attached and while I usually like to mount my own scopes, this came set up (albeit imperfectly) and on some medium mounts I don’t recall paying for. Additionally, the gun came with an 80% filled air cylinder. Impressive!

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    Just to explain my points of reference: I own 3 Weihrauch springers, an HW 100 HC and a HW 110. My only other bullpup is an Mk1 FX impact. Some years ago someone let me hold their Daystate Pulsar and that is my entire backstory on the subject of bullpups. It is I guess somewhat inevitable that I’ll end up comparing the Weihrauch BP to the Impact. I do not suggest for one moment that one rifle is in any way a substitute for the other, (the Impact has an unfeasibly high shot count and as a platform is way more versatile but is also £700 more expensive), I just use it as a comparative reference with which many on here will be familiar.

    I read in Terry Doe’s review of this rifle that Weihrauch had invested an unholy amount of money in the development and design of the new ambidextrous pistol grip. ‘An ambidextrous pistol grip’ sounds like an oxymoron. How realistic is it to expect your R&D team to come up with a grip to please everyone? Do we all have the same sized hands? No. Some have chunky fingers like bunches of bananas and others have the fine, slender hands of the surgeon or watchmaker. Will the rake and the depth of the indents for the fingers fit everyone and how can it suit both left and right hands? Absolutely not. And yet, I can reveal that the pistol grip on the HW 100 bullpup is indeed the most satisfying thing you’ll hold in your hand (either one) with the possible exception of your own knob. I have to say though, it’s a pity Weihrauch haven’t made the pistol grip hollow for the carrying of something useful e.g. a second magazine, a mini Mars or a couple of Marlboro Lights & a Zippo.

    One other thoughtful touch is a slight indent on the trigger guard which invites your trigger finger to rest comfortably until it is needed on the trigger. A really nice feature, emphasising the ergonomic principles which have guided the design of this stock.

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    The ambidextrous pistol grip and the trigger guard with recess for idle trigger fingers.

    A picatinny rail or a dovetail rail? This is a bummer if you want to move scopes between guns. What if I am switching a scope on a gun with a picatinny rail to a gun with a dovetail rail? Normally, I'd need to change the mounts. No problem if the second gun is the 100BP. This gun has both. The picatinny rail can be unscrewed revealing an 11 mm dovetail rail underneath. Is this a first? I’ve never seen it before. What a thoughtful feature.

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    Picatinny rail on top of a dovetail rail. You can choose either. Great idea!

    The HW100 action is well tried and tested and there is nothing I can add which hasn’t already been said. Broadly, it’s one of the most ubiquitous air rifle platforms and rather like the missionary position, it may not be the most exciting but it wouldn’t be so popular if it wasn’t any good. I can’t really eulogise this action sufficiently. If you have no idea what I am talking about, ask someone at your club and there is bound to be at least one HW 100 owner there, to have a go. You’ll get what I mean.

    Like I suspect many on this forum, I am an enthusiastic air-riflist and I pop away at targets trying to improve my grouping, consistency and intuitive estimation of hold-overs in the hope of one day being able to put these things into practice in the field as and when I acquire a permission. We do all of this from the comfort of a chair, resting our rifles on shooting bags which in turn are sitting on tables. This bears no relationship to field work at all. So I have made a resolution for this gun. During my tenure of ownership, this gun will not know a shooting rest. All shots will be taken standing or prone and if seated then resting on a bipod or my elbows and not a rice-filled bag. The bullpup size make this easier than with a full length rifle.

    Another piece of feedback I'd read is that testers of the bullpup version found the small picatinny rail at the fore end to be an annoyance. Possibly for this reason, they are not attached as standard. I fixed mine with the supplied two small stock bolts in a matter of seconds. For me feeling it under my hand is not an irritant but is is useful for attaching a bipod or a second grip, so I’ll keep mine on. I have opted for a second grip at the fore end to facilitate standing and kneeling shots. The Chinese Zeadio Atlas-style bipod with the additional fore end grip is perfect for this and at about £20 or so on Amazon, quite cheap.

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    Zeadio 'Atlas style' bipod with extra grip attached to the optional mini picatinny rail at the front.

    The cocking action is lovely and smooth and the biathlon lever is a worthy new addition. However, to cock the rifle, the trigger hand does have to come some way off the pistol grip. For those familiar with the FX Impact, the rifle can be cocked with the palm of the hand still resting on the pistol grip, making it easier and faster to reacquire the target. On this point, one nil to the Impact. The HW 100 magazines are simplicity itself. 14 shots in .177, no cunning clockwork mechanisms and a double loading prevention system. On this point, the Weihrauch pulls one back against the FX.

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    Cocking lever with biathlon extension. Each cock is a sublime experience - which sounds a bit rude but I hope you'll understand what I mean. Bottom left, you can also see the set back safety catch.

    The safety catch, while operable from both sides of the rifle is set back, near your ear. While not wholly unintuitive, I far prefer the FX Imapct’s safety catch just above the trigger and in easy reach of the trigger finger.

    Like all conscientious new gun owners, I wanted to pull the barrel through with some cleaning patches. A satisfying amount of black earwax came out but the aperture for doing this (i.e. the magazine slot) is so narrow that it’s a real fiddle getting the nylon loop of the pull-through out and inserting the patches.
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    First pull-through after delivery.

    This rifle was delivered to me in September but only now have I had the opportunity to test it. A concatenation of bad weather, road closures, birthday weekends, the Rugby World Cup and a business trip aboard meant that I had to wait eight Saturdays before getting out today. Not the most tempting weather but at least there was very little wind.

    I chrony’d 3 types of pellets:
    • JSB Exacts 8.44 gr - 783.71 fps - 11.51 fpe with a standard deviation of 7.25 fps between shots
    • H&N FTTs 8.64 gr - 756.61 fps- 10.98 fpe with a standard deviation of 5.18 fps between shots
    • JSB heavies 10.34 gr- 711.21 fps - 11.61 fpe with a standard deviation of 8.69 fps between shots
    I then set about zeroing the rifle. I kid you not this rifle scope combo were in harmony from the off. Zeroing took about 6 or 7 pellets. And then I started going up and down the range taking educated guesses at holdovers. This rifle was just not missing. 30, 40, 50, 60 yard targets all went down first time. There is a 72 yard target which normally takes some getting used to. It fell to the BP on the second shot. I tested shooting freehand and for the first time ever hit an HFT target at 56 yards, standing. The compact length and the weight being so far back suits me.

    And so on to the targets.

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    This was my first group @ 30 yds in a modest breeze with the JSB Exacts.

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    and this was my first with the H&Ns.

    I haven’t included the target from the heavies because it wasn’t as good and I’m vain and only like showing good targets. Suffice to say it was noticeably worse than these two.

    The trigger? There is some scepticism over the BP trigger. With such a long link between the blade and the sears, how responsive can it be? Well, if you’re a competitive FT long range specialist, it’s probably clunky by your standards but frankly you’d be unlikely to be using a Weihrauch anyway. If like me, you’re a plinker and target shooter who would like to have a go at hunting one day, then it’s more than fit for purpose. It’s good if not Daystate great.

    As the day wore on and I just wasn’t missing anything with either the JSBs or the H&Ns, I began to consider how lucky I was to have secured such a good example of this rifle. I am not a slavish disciple of all things Weihrauch. Last year I had a great disappointment with an HW 98, so I do not blithely assume that everything leaving the Weihrauch factory will be perfect but this gun is. My one gripe, and this is actually a common thing with plastic or rubber coated beech stocks, is that if like me you take your time over each shot and concentrate on your breathing then the condensation mounts up (see pic) but on this gun it gets into the block which is undesirable.
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    Condensation on the block simply from long periods of breathing while taking time over a shot.

    Likes
    • Ease of bringing to shoulder
    • Great pistol grip
    • Excellent consistency of shooting right out of the box
    • Easy to load magazine
    • Not pellet fussy
    • Both picatinny and dovetail scope mount options
    • Picatinny rail on forestock for handles, torches, lasers, bipods etc
    Suggestions for improvement
    • Would be nice if there was some up/down travel in the cheekpiece
    • The stock is just a bit….bland. There is nothing stippled or chequered for the leading hand. Maybe the stock is grippy enough and you don’t actually need chequering but it would be nice to have something to break up the monotony of featureless expanse of rubber coated beech. If possible, I’d love to see a laminate stock in the forest colours of some of the HW springer stocks. That would be like sex on a stick.
    • Given bullpups are all about economy of size, would now be a good time for Weihrauch to come up with a shorter, more compact moderator?
    • C’mon Weihrauch that plastic peg in the charging inlet is old skool technology. Can’t you have a twisting dust cap like other manufacturers?
    • A more competitive price point. I think it’s expensive for what it is. A conventional HW 100 retails for around £849 (that was the cheapest I could find at www.pickeringguns.co.uk but the price does vary) and that brings with it a piece of walnut (granted grain aesthetics can vary somewhat). I can only imagine that rubberised beech is cheaper than walnut. It’s about £60-£200 less than an AGT Uragan (depends from whom you’re buying) and some way cheaper than a Daystate Renegade and Air Arms Galahad but over £500 dearer than the Zbroia Kozak. Whether this represents better or worse value for money is purely subjective I’m just listing the price points of competing models. To my mind this rifle sits more comfortably in the £899-£999 mark, like the RRP of the new Brocock Concept Lite rifle. But I am sure the yield management department of the Weihrauch company know what they’re doing.

    Final thoughts:

    If you're considering getting an HW 100 of some description, have a look at the HW 100 BP. If you're considering acquiring a bullpup but are not sure which, be sure to shoulder an HW 100 BP. Despite the high price, the aesthetics are good on the full length version. It’s ergonomic and comes as intuitively to the shoulder as an H&K MP5 in the hands of the Feather Men. Imagine if you will a future, more enlightened time when international convention decrees that embassies may only be stormed with air rifles (and in the interests of sporting fairness, Steyr Pro-Xs are not allowed) then the 100 BP might well be the weapon of choice of the special forces. The delivery is good and every bit as consistent as you’d expect from anything with HW 100 in its name. I haven't 'got on' with any of my rifles as quickly as I did with this one. But do I love it? I guess it comes down to the industry standard Kate Winslet test: If Kate Winslet were to come knocking at my door politely asking to borrow an air rifle, specifically a bullpup, would I offer her the Weihrauch HW 100 BP or the FX Impact Mk1? Now, for those who watched the first lady of British acting on ‘Who Do You Think You Are?’, you will know that she is of Swedish descent, (I like to think I already knew that intuitively) so the Impact would be the obvious choice and yet, she herself is more about curves and contours so the Weihrauch might be more appropriate. I guess the thought of that pistol grip in those perfectly manicured hands would just win it for me and I’d reach for the 100 BP.
     
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  2. Gary Jones

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    Brilliant write up mate. Very enjoyable indeed. :up:

    A+
     
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    Yup, liking the HW100BP. One day......
     
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    What a superb write up!

    Thanks matey
     
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    Many thanks
    I held the HW100bpk (sorter one) and just loved it.
    I have posted photos of my air rifles and the main thing to notice I like my guns to feel different.
    My only concern is it may feel a bit like my wildcat.
    Can I justify buying one, hell no but I want one and your write up did not help this desire.

    Thanks buddy
    James
     
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    Great review.... could you do one for every rifel available!

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    Very good write up. That condensation looks as if you are outside shooting in heavy rain. How long do you take between shots? I want one. Ps I forgot. Which do you prefer your standard 100 or the bullpup?
     
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    Thanks. Yes I was outside - it was cold and damp but it wasn't raining on the gun. I dare say condensation is more a cause for concern in the cold months than in the summer. I like the 100 in both the KT and BP variants. If I had to keep one - probably the BP.
     
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    Sorry! Meant to add: I like taking between 30 secs - 1 min to line up the cross hairs and settle the breathing.
     
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    Ive had three. k and full. Ive just bought this sold the others year or two ago. I,m a sucker for walnut. upload_2019-11-24_10-53-23.jpeg
     
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    Yup, that's good wood you've got there.
     
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    Brilliant, well written review.

    I'm glad i'm not alone in thinking that was rain, thats a lot of condensation. I do like the look of this rifle, apart from the pistol grip and fully intend to shoulder one on my next trip to the shop.

    You need to write more reviews, and if that means more ale fueled internet ordering, then i welcome it :)
     
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    I picked up the 100bpk, pig ugly but a lovely bit of kit. Very weighty for such a small rifle. I think they should have made a fat stubby mod for it, reduced the hight of the dovetail scope rail, and that cheek piece should move up and down.

    Then i would probably stick an A&M cylinder on to drop the weight a touch.
     
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    Many thanks for the compliment. I have written a few reviews - HW110, FX Impact (parts 1 and 2 no less), Air Arms Pro Sport, HW98, Walther LGV, TX 200 vs HW97. They'll be in the airgun review archive I guess. I very much enjoy doing it and is without doubt part of the fun of getting a new rifle. Some reviewers are good at editing video - I'm very much more about the written word.
     
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    Agree wholeheartedly that the cheekpiece should go up and down, a shorter moderator would be an improvement and the rifle is indeed heavier than you assume. You look at it and your brain says "Short = light" but the reality is that the HW 100 BP is actually 700g heavier than the HW 100 KT unscoped, which surprised me.

    The height of the dovetail rail works for me. If your scope has low - medium mounts, the holdovers are not excessive. I will take it to an HFT range and see how I do.
     
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    Great write up, thank you.
    As far as the rail goes, it was one of the pluses for me when I bought mine as it’s very low compared to most other bull pups, and you have the option to remove the picatinny rail and use the regular dovetails.
    Regarding weight, the regular bp is the same as the full length rifle because that’s basically what it is and the carbine bp is the same as the carbine rifle. I’ve fitted an A&M cylinder to mine but retained the original because I don’t know which I prefer yet. I’ve also fitted a Twink silencer, which reduces length slightly and, imo, improves the looks.
    Thanks again for the review.
     
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    Got a pic of yours @Seamaster? sounds like some nice additions. I liked the BPK the best when i had them in hand.

    Also the rail is still on the high side, if you compare to the likes of say a kozak whos rail almost runs along the barrel shroud.
     
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    I’ve got the Nitesite on it at the minute.
    I had a go of @tombillings916 ’s Kozak and liked it a lot. This was just that bit better for me (although not twice as good as the price might suggest).
     
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    Very nice, interesting comment, see my latest thread in anything airgun related
     
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    Now THAT is a proper review that I like to read:thumb::thumb::thumb:
    Great write up and all the info a real shooter needs to know, love it
     

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