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How Did Your Doc Take

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by fatplumber, Dec 8, 2020.

  1. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    Not sure. If my estimate of 14 a day between 2 docs is right, maybe 1 an hour if we budget a bit of time wastage in the day.

    The numbers are quite close, it could work, I imagine the hidden costs behind employees beyond just the salary, and the time and money needed to put such a system in place makes it prohibitive - projects for anything even resembling public sector are usually done at maximum cost and minimum efficiency!

    They also need to find over 100 qualified people, recruitment time and costs alone would be expensive.

    If there was a big enough profit in it they'd bother to do it, but long term profit plans isnt how the police work today, its all about reducing costs and removing time/effort to meet this years budget nowadays.
     
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  2. fatplumber

    fatplumber Engaging Member

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    The instruction to the doctor was to go through my entire record. That is all 69 years, my records are about 11 inches deep.
     
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    110 sam Active Member

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    Renewed my cert in feb just to get ahead of expiry in may was done middle of March no charge from doctors cops even rang me to say it was in the post
     
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    Dibob Well-Known Member

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    I had mine done recently as my renewal is due early next year, docs turned it round and emailed it to the firearms unit within 10 days and provided me with a hard copy. Sadly they charge a silly amount, but at least it's done. I seem to recall on my renewal letter that my local force did specifically mention they recognise current issues with covid and other difficulties in obtaining medical reports and asked you contact them if help/advice was needed etc. Must admit now a number of forces have moved to online/digital systems the renewal/application process does seem easier.
     
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    Dibob Well-Known Member

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    Also, i know it's normal, well in my experience, for the docs to send the medical report direct to the police, but the last couple of times i've had them done and got a copy for my records, things have "appeared" on them that were definately not part of my medical history, fortunately nothing that would be a cause for concern, but worth a check!
     
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  6. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    Like what, stuff about other people or just minor things that weren't previously on it?

    This is another reason next time I'll ve asking for a copy of my records via SAR before sending them to a 3rd party doctor - I can check the contents for accuracy first!
     
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  7. Dibob

    Dibob Well-Known Member

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    Well one was that i had a heart attack/condition in my mid-20's which believe me i didn't!
     
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  8. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Well that is some admin error mate, and i certainly hope that you kicked someone's arse about it :facepalm:
     
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    Kind of makes you wonder how many people have inaccurate info added to their med records :facepalm:
     
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    Robert Wells Engaging Member

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    Got mine done in a week, £20, happy days
     
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    Accuspell Pro Poster

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    Mine is due at the end of this year. Last time it was renewed it was over 9 months, and that was speeded up because I got the sporting organisations on the case, they put pressure on and it was issued within a week of being chivvied. I understand renewals have slipped to over a year in this area now, Staffordshire have merged with West Mercia for firearms admin, and there are only 4 in the office! I have the fun and games to come yet, add to that my GP retires at the end of this month. I can see it will be amusing!
     
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    I’m in West Yorkshire and I’ve never heard of paying for a doc report? What am I missing here? Renewed my fac/sgc in jan, took 7weeks from application in to receiving it.
     
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    How long before your cert expires, do you generally apply for your renewal?
    Mine expires June 2022, when would it be advisable to send off for my renewal, or do the police send out an reminder before it expires.

    Kind regards,

    Dave.
     
  14. Keith 66

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    Mine took two days from emailing the practice manager, A quick chat with the doctor over the phone in the morning & it was done, £25.
    A lot slower if you are ill though!

    An aside to medical records, about 15 years ago i had cause to visit my doctor re options on a long term medical condition (arthritis due to injury).
    While i was there i asked for a repeat prescription for painkillers. He asked "Do you want some more ******* for your depression?" (i cant remember what the drug was).
    As i had never suffered from depression to the point i remotely ever needed medication I said "I have never had depression, sure you have the right bloke?".
    He looked at his screen & did a double take, turned out that there was another guy with exactly the same name as me who lived one street away, Same age, his birthday was one day different to mine.
    They had pulled his records up by mistake. The consequences of a similar confusing mistake with a firearms application are obvious!
     
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    Ooooh, have the Police managed to push the responsibility over to the Doctors, who have too much to deal with as is. :rolleyes: The Police want the control, but not the responsibility. The Police are responsible, and are paid to take responsibility. They chose to deal with firearms certification, as it could have been dealt with by a separate professional body instead!

    Along those lines, if your Doctor is overworked, painful to deal with over firearms, or known to be slow, this professional service looks specifically set up to deal with certification needed for applications in the UK...

    https://www.medcert.co.uk/

    The BASC are actually fighting for it to be made 10 years, which is wise, cost effective and beneficial for all involved. The Police should get on board with this, and push it forward, rather than be obstinate. I'd put good money that this will become law, it is just when?

    @PmanUK Looking at the information online, the ins and outs, admittedly scanning over it :oops: you appear correct. If all doctors refused, then where would we all be? The old way was that the Police contacted the Doctor and dealt with it. Now you have to? But you actually have to send the Doctor's form to the Police with your application don't you, am I right in that?

    In Northern Ireland you fill in the new online application and give consent for the Police to contact your Doctor. The Brits have it the wrong way round? Cambridgeshire's Police website shows that you are required to provide a medical report which verifies your medical history and if not included your application is not accepted. This is not how it's always been, since it came in. Originally the Police contacted Doctors and did the work. That reads that you need to get the information from your Doctor? You do it! and send the Doctor's form with your application.

    That can't be right? That means that you can then edit out anything you are not happy with. "I don't recall attacking that infants school with a hammer? That was my other self!" :oops: "Best remove that" :confused: I'm reading that wrong aren't I :facepalm:

    You will have some nut amend his doctors slip, send that in, and at some point an example will be missed by the police officer dealing with it and we will have a major incident. I'm talking more than a tea spilling and lack of donuts in the office!

    @r10hunter :eek: I could see how that would go! They'd ensure they took on a Doctor that was very malleable to their wishes. The whole point in the UK, about the Police and the CPS is that they are completely separate, because once you get everyone under the same roof, they'll push through whatever motive they choose. It is wise that the two areas are separate, but communicate quickly and effectively, that way there is no 'bleed' ;)

    @fatplumber They make it as wide reaching as possible :rolleyes:, as the Police don't have to do the work. If the Police were dealing with it, a quick call, "can you look," the reply "this file is 69 years and 40 inches thick," ... "just go back 5 or 10 years thank you."

    You just wait though. There will be some sort of loophole somewhere in new processing of how you are to get the forms yourself, and all hell will break loose. Some issue with a Doctor who's mentally ill, smacked out on his own prescriptions or signing off his mates and all and sundry, or some government certification body, linked to mates and school buddies of government ministers :frusty: that is making massive profit on the whole thing. That then having the responsibility away from the Police causing some nut to shoot up a female vigil for Harvey Weinstein. I doubt the government will throw 37 Billion at it though! :soap:

    I can see this going very badly wrong, very quickly. Someone needs to get a grip.
     
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    Still haven’t got my cert either.
     

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