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How Did Your Doc Take

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by fatplumber, Dec 8, 2020.

  1. fatplumber

    fatplumber Engaging Member

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    To do your medical report? I paid for mine on 26 October. Still nowt! I know that they have more important things to worry about but if renewing I’d be getting a bit worried by now. At least I don’t have to worry about handing guns in as my certificate runs out.
     
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    Spoke to a friend of mine yesterday and he’s been waiting since the 29th of September, cashed his cheque for £60.00 in the same week and despite chasing them up he’s still no further forward.
    Even Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask but at least he delivered.
     
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    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    This boils my p**s, it clearly states on your grant that your medical records will have an electronic marker put on it so if you ever come in saying you're hearing voices it'll red flag it.
    Youre also giving the police access to them too, how much more do they want?
     
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    Vasbyt Resident Slipjoint Junkie

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    Mine took 24 hours when renewing last year, this year would probably be longer though approx 6 weeks is ridiculous
     
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    The police used to get the report but they changed it to our responsibility. Is this going to be an annual problem? So long since I had a certificate I don’t even know how long they last!
     
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    Every 5 years.
    That is of course until BASC agree to it being yearly :rolleyes:
     
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  7. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    My GP received a letter from WYP on 11th of November, and i received a follow up request for funds on the 12th which was paid in cash at the surgery immediately.
    The report letter from my GP was returned to WYP on the 18th, so the whole process took about a week.
    Have to say that i am very impressed all round this time with the service (so far) but not with the fact that my wallet is now 50 sovs lighter for providing them with information which, as far as i am aware, they already had privy to anyway, and at a cost of 50 quid for 2 X 1 page letters, they should be efficient anyway ;) :shrug:
     
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  8. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    This will never happen (i hope)
    They are already struggling with staffing levels & budgets with the 5 year renewals, this is why they don't really like us.
     
  9. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    Took my docs 3 months to do it tail end of last year. They seemed to have assigned the work to a doctor on perma-holiday as he was always on hols when I chased it up every month :)
    The only reason I didn't kick up a stink is they didn't ask for any money for it, and I understand it's extra work outside their normal remit.

    TBH the final time I called the FEO to see if they'd sent it to them yet was their last chance (luckily they had actually done it), if not I'd have told the GP to bin it and gone with one of the specialist docs that do these within a couple of weeks guaranteed. Next time I'll do that and just bypass the GP, happy to pay a reasonable fixed fee for a known lead time.
    The only issue with using a 3rd-party is you usually still need to get your certificated medical records off the GP to give them, however there are time limits for them to do it and they have to, as I believe it falls under subject access request rules. So a bit more legwork for you but at least you know it'll be done!
     
  10. MoggyM

    MoggyM FLM

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    My medical report took 3 months as, my GP believes no one in the UK should legally own a firearm.

    The police forced the issue and my Doctor just dumped 30yrs of medical history on the police and said its for you to decide.

    Since the above happened ive found out that you can privately pay any doctor who can obtain you medical report and produce a non bias report for the police.

    On renewal, the police shouldn't need a medical report as you medical file is red flagged and you doctor has a legal responsibility to inform the police if you have a relevant medical problem at, any time.
     
  11. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    If only it were that straightforward.
    The question of GP's being involved with the issuing of FAC/SGC's is an ongoing debate between the BMA and all the usual suspects, and basically they say that the process of flagging an FAC holders medical records to try and prevent any future incidents is "Not a robust enough process" and that they are still trying to find an alternative plan of action with BASC, CPSA etc.
    So personally, i get the impression (after having read the 3 letters from my renewal this year) that the BMA are far from happy with the current arrangements, and are lobbying for change.
     
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  12. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    Good job it's not up to the GP then! If they even remotely hinted they took longer than necessary to do it due to a personal belief, that's unprofessional and you should complain.

    It's always been for the chief officer of police to make the decision. If the GP wants to be petty and unhelpful about it, see point above.
    It sounds like your GP are actively being :handjob: about it which thankfully are the minority, most just treat it as low priority.

    The problem is there's no fully agreed nationwide framework for doing this such as the precise method of flagging, it's all basically made up and best efforts between the local force and practices in their area.


    Until Doctors get told to do it as part of their standard daily workload, or they get paid a set fee for it - such as through a subsidy paid through the Police via certificate charges - and the method of recording\reporting information is standardised, the problems will continue.
     
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    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    A doctor can and has 100% got the right to refuse to fill in these medical forms for firearms as it is not an NHS provided service it is a private service and hence the massive fees.

    Initially my Dr said they would not do it, I spoke to the local fire arms dept about it and they said its becoming increasingly common that Dr's refuse to sign it and they can't be forced to do it due to the above. I checked in on it and they are right there is zero obligation for them to fill the form in at all.

    Luckily mine had a change of heart and did it, but Surrey told me outright that if it wasn't filled in I would not get issued a ticket.
     
  15. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    I know that and don't have an issue with it (saying that, I have to do stuff in my job I don't like or agree with but I need to do it anyway with no option of hiding behind "my ethics" so maybe they should grow up a bit). Being obstructive to the extent of stringing someone along to waste their time, along with a stroppy attitude, as I inferred from Moggy's post, is definitely not on.

    If a GP doesn't want to or doesn't have time to perform a requested piece of work in a reasonable time, charging a fee or not, then they should be upfront on day one so we can make alternative arrangements.
     
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    You would think that these days it would be feasible for the police to employ a doctor who charged a set fee per application to access a persons records on the NHS computer and conduct an initial assessment and place the marker.
    Only needing to involve the GP where an issue was identified.
    Better for the applicants and police. As well as saving time for GP’s.
     
  17. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    There'd be a few procedural details to sort out but that's a very sensible suggestion :up:
    Unfortunately the police won't go for that, why would they pay another bunch of salaries when they've already engineered the situation where applicants and GPs do all the running around for them ;)
     
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    At £50 per report paid by the applicant you would think the doctor would pay for himself and more.
     
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  19. Jester

    Jester Completely Unbelievable New Taste Sensation

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    Hmm well we know the applicant\certificate numbers: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ificates-england-wales-2018-2019-hosb0919.pdf

    Back of fag packet calculations (which is tricky as it doesn't details co-terminus certs which are cheaper so I've guessed) - let's say 25,000 new applications, and out of maybe 650,000 existing cert holders let's assume a fifth hit the 5-year renewal every year, that's 130,000.
    25k + 130k = 155k, x£50 - about £7.75 million.
    Divide that by the 43 forces in England and Wales, that's £180k per force per year.

    The average GP salary is about £90k per year, so each force gets an average of 2. That's not a lot when they're processing nearly 14 applications per working day of the year. That's without any that need following up.
    Think the charge would need to be increased to nearer £80 at least. And that's on top of the existing cert charges that cover the FEO work.
    Of course they've already run the numbers on this and appear to believe it's non-profitable and\or the punters wouldn't swallow the cost, so maybe I'm not too far off :D

    EDIT: actually the link does tell us the overall number of cert holders, about 590k, so even less money in it than I've guessed.
     
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    What are you estimating the time it takes for a doctor to read through the file and complete the paperwork.
    I thought 20 - 30 mins on average some being an hour and some 15 mins.
    Obviously a pure guess.
     
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