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Help needed with Airgun Law...

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Diopter, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Diopter

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    Hi all.

    I wonder if anyone can help answer a question?

    I used to shoot regularly at a local gun club, both air pistols and air rifles. That was maybe 10-15yrs ago.

    For one reason or another I haven't been involved in the shooting scene until recently. While visiting an outdoor/hunting supply shop I spotted an Umarex PO8 (Luger) CO2 BB pistol for sale. I've always liked the styling of the Luger and I always enjoyed air pistol shooting, so I purchased the Umarex pistol with the intention of doing some plinking shooting and paper target practice.

    After paying for the pistol I was asked to fill in my name and address in a ledger, but thought nothing of it, assuming it might be for guarantee reasons etc.

    Now, after mentioning my new 'toy' to some of the guys at work it was hinted at that because the pistol looks like a WWI/WWII Luger it may be classed as an 'RIF' (realistic imitation firearm), and could leave me in a whole world of poop.

    So I've been having a read around the web and now I'm more confused than ever. Some sites seemed to suggest that I should be a member of a skirmish club even to purchase such things, or sites suggest that I cannot even sell it due to the RIF nature, and so on.

    So what the heck is the correct answer? 15-yrs ago it was 6ft lb limit pistols, 12 ft lb limit rifles, and don't walk around Woolworths with either one of them loaded etc. Simples!

    But now the laws are so confusing I'm beginning to wonder why I even bothered buying the thing in the first place. What should have been a pleasant walk down a childhood memory lane is rapidly looking like a real nightmare.

    And for info, when I purchased the pistol no mention whatsoever was made as regards any legality or requirements of me making the purchase, the guy just took my loot and made me fill in the ledger.

    To recap then it's an Umarex PO8 CO2 BB (.177 steel) pistol, with a 21 shot magazine.

    Any ideas please?
     
  2. SteveO

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    Nothing to worry about, completely legal to own and use in your back garden or anywhere you have permission!

    Welcome to the forum by the way!
     
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  3. Jackroadkill

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    As above, there is no issue. Have fun, and welcome back to the fold.
     
  4. mattyts

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    I think it covers the plastic guns which don't fire fast or powerful enough to be deemed a firearm.they are usually are painted with the orange tips if they aren't a RIF.

    So completely legal,enjoy it :up:
     
  5. Grumpyoldman

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    As above . worry not im well into my 40s and own several legal hunting air rifles and a replica Colt 1911 co2 pistol by the same maker as your Luger , Enjoy :up: . Hey i love shooting tin cans with mine great fun :up: stick with the forum you will be amazed by modern air gunning !!! :eek: I hadnt touched an air rifle in 15 years when i joined the forum , i was amazed :up: . On the down side i have no money any more :rolleyes:
     
  6. Andy

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    It is co2 powered and will have a power rating above 1 joule so it's OK.
     
  7. Clubshot

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    Under the VCR Act - All Air Guns are registered @ purchasing Dealer - When New and sold by a Dealer

    The Register stay's with Dealer as does information in it -

    Even manufactures are not required to keep a register as to who got what guns or seriel numbers

    Most UK Manufactures restart numbers each finanicial year - very few have year numbers-

    Which will make a joke if it ever comes to Air Gun Registration / Licensing

    6mm is a real joke - as under 1 joule you need to be registered to a Sport / and gun painted or Clear

    Over 1 joule it can be black and sold as a Air Pistol.

    Check www.basc.org.uk has all legislation covering UK based Air Guns

    BOB/R
     
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    Thanks for the info, and the welcome! :)
     
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    Again, thanks for the info, and the welcome! :)
     
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    Thank you! :)
     
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    Thanks for the reply :up:

    One of my air pistols is a Gamo R77 revolver. I love it because it has a full rotating cylinder (not a disc like some), so I can fire pellets or darts (anyone remember those!) with 8-shot capability. It has a laser too (laser sight that is!), but I tend to stick with the blade sights.
     
  12. Diopter

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    Thanks for the info Andy, and a great forum!

    You mention one joule, so is that the cut off point between a pistol/rifle being classed as a firearm or air-soft? Or does the calibre enter in to the equation too i.e. does the weapon have to be 6mm BB AND be below 1 joule to be classed as air-soft and therefore an imitation firearm?

    For example, if someone owned an old 'traditional' air pistol, and due to age the spring had weakened over the years so that the muzzle energy fell below one foot pound, could that then be classed as an imitation fire arm?

    Also, say a pistol originally sold as an air-soft 'toy' was modified to bring up its muzzle energy to say two foot pounds, could that then be treated as a standard air pistol in that the energy level brings it up in to the fire arm category and is therefore no longer an imitation fire arm? Or would it be a case that because it was originally and air-soft weapon it will always be treated as an air-soft weapon, but now of a higher illegal power level?

    Sorry for asking so many questions! I just want to make sure that I have the info correct in my mind so that I don't end up innocently breaking the law. I'm amazed so far that a true air pistol can look like a 'real' gun and the law is happy, and yet air-soft type weapons with much less 'destructive' energy have to be painted pink with yellow spots and requires the owner to be a member of an elite skirmishing corp... The (shooting) world seems to have gone mad!
     
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    Thanks for all the great info Bob... :up:
     
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    You will be ok as long as your not running round the town Centre shooting pigeons
     
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    Final question!

    I have two old spring piston type air-soft pistols that I purchased maybe 15-yrs ago. These old pistols are not day-glow coloured, but are painted or coloured like the originals they are modeled upon. Off the top of my head one is a Beretta 92fs look-a-like (which is all black), and the other is modeled on a Colt 25 (silver-grey coloured with black(?) grips.

    The Beretta has a label that shows "< 0.5 J" (less than half a joule).

    Can these still be owned legally because of the time that they were made/purchased? Or shall I introduce them to "Mr 2lb Lump Hammer" before I get my collar felt? :D
     

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