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Hello,I am new to the world of air rifles and need some advice please

Discussion in 'Introduce yourself' started by kris_sayer, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. kris_sayer

    kris_sayer Newbie

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    1, .177 VS .22 I will eventually like to use my rifle to shoot wood pigeon, rabbits and pheasants after I have a few weeks of target practice. what would work best?

    2, i will be working with a budget of around the £300 mark for the rifle and scope.... any recommendations?

    Thanks for reading and i look forward to reading your replies.
     
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  2. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    .177 hw95k ,,,,,,,,,its all your need
     
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    Once upon a time, I would have been banging on about .22 but now I would go down the .177 ally everyday of the week. Unless you want to be venturing in to 'FAC' when the extra weight of the .22 helps. Its just my opinion, but as long as your an accurate shot, I have never found .177 to be any less efficient at dropping the vermin, and out to a good distance to. Be sure to come back, and let us know what you ended up buying. Cheers KB1
     
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    Hi Kris and a warm welcome to THE forum, for hunting or target you cannot go wrong with .177 IMO. ATB Paul.
     
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    Welcome along mate,

    both will do the job, it's all about pellet placement:)
     
  6. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Unless the pheasants are carrying out verminous attacks in a few weeks you will not legally be allowed to shoot them. You must find out about what you can shoot and when!
     
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    Hello mate welcome. Can believe im saying this but go 177. Im a 22 man but my bro in law got sent a 177 ultra instead of a 22 so he just stuck with it. Im must admit i prefere his 177 ultra over my 22 ultra.

    Ben
     
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    THROW A SPANNER IN THE WORKS.

    Here comes the curved ball - I have been converted to .20 ever since I got it in 1996. The .20 (5mm) is simply more efficient than either of the calibres each side of it and it maintains its supremacy right up to 26ft-lbs, at which point the .22 starts to overlap and by 30ft-lbs has overtaken it. For anyone shooting with one rifle at sub 12ft-lbs in the field, I cannot understand people using anything else. If you are shooting metallic silhouettes, that's different, but for pot filling, the .20 every time.

    All three of my main rifles are .20

    This diagram should help you understand the benefits:

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  9. Meteor62

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    Talking up to 26 ft lb is ok but how is it more efficient at sub 12? Not being awkward here as I am shall I say .20 curious.
     
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    I thought the diagram would help and show how the overlaps of performance are shared about. The .20 has the BEST MIX OF ALL THEM. With all calibre comparisons there are compromises, of the compromises that have to be made, the .20 has the least compromise in any direction. If you read what I said again, I specifically said that at 12ft-lbs it has the best attributes, and continues to have the best set of attributes up to 26ft-lbs, which is where the .22 takes over and leaps ahead, because of the pellet weight and being able to maintain the velocity with the heavier pellet. You can get 30ft-lbs from .20, but the velocity required makes it inaccurate then, at 26ft-lbs it is a little slower and so the accuracy is maintained. This is due to the speed of sopund influence.

    In 12ft-lbs velocities, the .20 is unbeatable - FOR FIELD WORK, taking opportunities as they present themselves. On a regulated taregt course, knocking over tin pigeons, then obviously the faster pellet is the winner. I wish peole would start to see that we are LIMITED BY VELOCITY. If we were allowed to drive .22 weight pellets fast enough to match the flight arc of 700fps lighter pellets there would be less argument - because they would both be the same, but then the wind cheating aspects of the .22 would nudge it ahead.

    Another indication of the "through flight" efficiency of the .20 pellet can be seen in this anecdote:
    A friend of mine is a custom rifle builder, in America. He built up two IDENTICAL Rapids, same valving, same barrel length (19"), one in .20, the other in .22. He used Crossman Premiers, which interestingly are BOTH THE SAME WEIGHT in this pellet. .20 = 14.3gns and .22 = 14.3gns - the .20 is slightly longer to get the weight in the calibre. He then tuned them both to be firing at 975fps, so the velocities were identical. He zeroed them both to 50 yards.

    So, you have:
    identical weight and make of pellets
    identical velocity
    identical zero range

    Near enough identical rifles in every respect except the calibre. He then stood up a target at 100 yards and holding dead on centre of the cross fired a group with the .22, then fired the .20 - remember they are both the same. The .20 hit the target with its group 5" higher than the .22. The difference HAS to be the efficiency in flight. It is difficult to comprehend by figures and theory alone - it just happens, as if by magic, because for some reason in .20 everything slots together in harmony. As with anything, there are believers and disbelievers.

    Funnily enough, there are those who have never shot a .20 and yet they know it is crap. Then there are others who have lived with and shot one for years who think it is good.
     
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    Welcome to the forum :up:


    John
     
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    Hello and welcome :)
     
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    The graph didn't make any sense to me, maybe I'm lacking in intelligence. I see your comparisons of why it is better in .22 but see nothing that says it has any advantages over .177 in sub 12 format.
     
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    Best visual I've come across to describe .20 :up:
     
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    And that's how sperm enters the ova and we'll be covering zygote development in full later in the term.


    Welcome aboard :D
     
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    hi and WELCOME to the forum :D:welcome:
     
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    Hi KB1 I have been offered a .177 hw95k with scope and gun bag for £300 so im going to have a really hard think about that one. Also thanks everyone for the warm welcome!!!!
     
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    Sounds nice, make sure to shoulder and try the gun if you can. Also, ask the question as to which pellet brand the original owner found to be the best match for the gun. That will save you some time and effort when it comes to setting the gun up for your liking. Good luck. KB1
     
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    Hi Kris and welcome to the forum mate, another vote for .177 here mate. Steve
     

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