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Heart beat control

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Rickets, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. Rickets

    Rickets Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys,I've bin doing a bit of target practice at 40 yards on a one inch target and my shots are not consistent..I seem to have the breathing sorted and can hold the gun still (I'm shooting off a car bonnet) but my heart beat seems to upset my shots..so I guess my question is..is there a technique to help smooth it out..thanx Richie..
     
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    It will be your hold or your breathing.
    If you are shooting a springer they are very hold sensitive.
     
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    Google Malcolm Cooper heart rate control, he used to be able to slow his heart or pulse just enough to get a shot off within 2 seconds of doing so.
     
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    Forgot to say I'm using BSA scorpion .177 pcp with exact pellets..could you tell a bit more on hold and breathing titchgamer and thanx for your reply milek I will google him...can a heavy trigger make you pull your shots off target ?
     
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    Yes mate the trigger pull can make a big difference. A stiff trigger can cause a snatch on the shot.

     
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    Heart rate control can be done but (in typical lame and not-very-helpful fashion) I can't tell you how to do it other than you have to "think" your heart slower... see? Not really that helpful! As far as breathing goes you have to make your breathing movemnets as slow and deliberate as possible without feeling like you're holding your breath under water. Your trigger pull shouldn't be a pull at all - try for a squeeze that is gentle and controlled, rather than a jerking motion.
     
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    You can isolate the gun from your pulse to a degree with a target glove. There is a pulse in your hand and it can become very noticeable through the scope.
     
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    Very helpful info thanks..I've been shooting this gun for a fair bit now and had way better results..dunno if this is relevant but changed scope today,did the zero thing at 11 yards and couldn't miss a 10mm spot then went to the 40 yard..I could hit the spot when I held still but could feel my heart bumping and it seemed to be moving me..
     
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    Try to calm down, take a few breaths, then when your heart rate has slowed slightly, time your shot to be inbetween pulses.
     
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    How fit are you? and what is your standing heart rate? since i've upped my days running my aim has improved because my standing heart rate is less, about 50bpm, which means a calm and controlled hold.

    i read about an olympic shooter ages ago who ran 70 miles a week to lower his heart rate to 40!
     
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    Another thing you can try is having the zoom as low as you can comfortably have it then it won't seem as bad
     
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    It does happen, and the more you notice it the worse it seems to get. All I can say is practice, practice and more practice.

    Are you doing your trigger follow through? Don't release the trigger until your shot has landed. Also, a very good shooter once told me, you don't pull or squeeze a trigger, you "press" it. But I also know another very good shooter who, instead of pressing with just his trigger finger, tenses up his whole trigger hand as one. Essentially you need to find what works for you, I'm still looking for what works for me:D
     
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    I find this can lead to bad habits, each to their own but I like to shoot on higher mag so I can focus on keeping the rifle still. If you lower the mag you are still wobbling the rifle, you just can't see it, with higher mag you can see it and do something about it.
     
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    I can honestly say I have never even so much of thought about my heart beat.
    But in my mind if you can hear/feel your heart beat you are doing something wrong?

    I mean you can only normally feel your own heart beat in a few circumstances. Exhaustion, Fear, holding your breath to long, jabbing your fingers in your neck etc.

    When you are shooting you should be totally relaxed, Slow shallow breathing, nice gentle grip of your rifle.

    Ime not saying a heart beat wont effect aim but we are talking about air rifles here at short ranges, the minute amount of movement should be unnoticeable?

    Or maby we all just slow our hearts down without noticing I dont know.....

    I used to do a excersise which may help you.
    Go out with a rifle go prone and aim at a target 30 yards away on the highest mag you have now just lie there and aim. Concentrate on your target and your aim.
    Think about your breathing and your movements. Dont fire any shots off, Just relax and feel the gun.

    And as above when your are shooting dont pull the trigger, squeeze it slowly until it releases.
    Jerky trigger pulls will screw your aim up more than anything else.
    Also stay perfectly still after you have taken your shot for a second or 2.
     
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    After a bit of reading...

    A normal resting heart rate is anywhere between 60 and 80 bpm, a healthy person should be about 60, athletes can be lower due to stronger cardiac muscles and better circulation, high performance athletes can be very low indeed, in the case of some of the tour-de-France guys it can be as low as 30bpm.
    Olympic marksmen use breathing exercises alongside high levels of physical fitness to lower heart rate, but they also use mental calming exercises and even balance exercises, so there's a lot to do!

    To be honest, unless you're a proper fat podger with a heart rate of 120, i wouldn't worry about it affecting your aim too much, target and aiming practise will help more.
     
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    I've had it many times where it's very noticeable. Perhaps you are much fitter than me (highly probable even!):eek:
     
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    Mine pushes my crosshairs around considerably when I am lining up. I have a resting HR of 47. It's not just about relaxing; we are all affected differently and I can feel blood pushing around my neck as I type.
     
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    Havin spent a bit of time with some top shooters since I started HFT you do hear what some people do/ don't before a shoot. Not eating carb's. Don't drink red bull or coffee. Smoking all this things add up and will up the heart rate. Personally I take a deep breath and try and relax.
     
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    The trouble most people have is with their breathing. When a marksman holds their breath people understandably presume you take in a big breath and hold, which is incorrect.

    Doing this creates a lot of pressure in the chest and puts your diaphram in an uncomfortable, stressed position. The expansion of your chest will make your heartbeat more noticable as you won't be relaxed and the build up of pressure in your top half will amplify your heartbeat throughout your body.

    The correct thing to do is breath comfortably and normally when assuming your position and hold. Allow the weapon to point naturally at the target. Ensure your sight unit has the correct picture and alignment. Take up the play/slack in the trigger. Take in a normal deep breath (not exaggerated) and exhale HALF then HOLD! Squeeze the trigger (don't snatch) and follow through, holding briefly for about 1 second (as titchgamer said), then release. Think of a golfer as they follow through with their swing.

    Snatching the trigger can undo all your hard work on an important timed shot.

    Try comparing holding a deep breath with a half exhaled one and see the difference you notice your heartbeat has on your body.
     
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    I always shoot on the exhale.
     

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