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Hawke Panorama EV 4-12 x 40 IR AO... Too many bells and whistles

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Padster, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Padster

    Padster Engaging Member

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    So I started shooting with a very basic BSA essential 3-9 x 40 mil dot.. Which did the deed but I wanted to upgrade.. After much searching and reading of reviews here and elsewhere on the wonderful World Wide Web, I plumped for the Hawke Panorama EV 4-12 x 40 IR AO.

    Well I've had it a few months now and whilst it's a very nice scope, I find that I just don't use the bells and whistles that come with it..

    I set it to 6x mag and don't change this in the field as I find it's a good compromise between image size and light quality.

    I set the AO to 35yards... My zero. And never move it...

    And I've never used the IR, even at dawn or dusk..

    Hmmmm, I think I've bought the wrong scope for my needs!!!

    I only hunt, and am now thinking I should get a simpler maybe lighter scope ... Doh.
     
  2. timmytree

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    Welcome to the 99% club. We've all done it. :D
     
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    Sounds like a 2-7x32 would be perfect for you
     
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    Where is the 35 yard parallax on the hawkes? Mine has 50ft 25 yards and then 50 yards
     
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    I know I'm going to get "between 25 and 50 yard setting" answers here so waiting for it.
     
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    It is ironic that the centrefire world has always plumped for simple, clear, concise scopes...airgunners always seem to be chasing their tails with scopes loaded with every conceivable feature that the makers can cram into the available space.

    I have been trying to get people to realise that the most important aspect is being able to see in the first place, so clarity of sight picture is the most important attribute, that means getting a scope with the highest grade optics you can possibly afford - that doesn't mean expenisve! It just means, go for a scope where the emphasis has been placed on light transmittance and quality of glass for the lenses backed with top coatings on all surfaces. Not all lenses are equal, even at the same price point.

    Compact, lightweight, simplicity of reticule, but with some useful aim points behind the best lenses to come out of Japan (or Germany, but these will be much more expenisve from the Schott Glass Works).

    Vortex do some great scopes at the same price as your Panorama, so do Nikon (but they have gone up in the last year or so). Bushnell are bigger (longer) than these but if you can fit it on, they are nearly the equal.
     
  7. mattyts

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    It's there,it just isn't marked.

    The OP might have just parralaxed to something at 35 yard.
     
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    Or, you could simply stick with the Panorama and not use what you don't want to use...

    :)

    The Panorama scopes are pretty good overall and if yours is ticking your boxes you should stick rather than twist.

    If you want features it doesn't give you, consider replacing it by all means.

    The trouble is, what with ?

    And how much ?
     
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    metalman Very Active

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    The half mil dot is a useful feature, use the 4-12x40, (none ao)?but not the ir :)
     
  10. darklord

    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    Non ao is useless on air rifles unless reparallaxed as at 12 x it's so out of focus. Low light use is pretty crap to. Else the ao version is a good alto under for the money. I've had 3 so far. Just upgraded to better glass now no frills type stuff recently changed my genesis to a falcon menace 4-14 x 44it Has ao that's it and second focal plane too. It does what I need it too and low lights good too. Not in the same league as my zeiss though.
     
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    A Japan made direct copy of the Tasco AG would be ideal, with a few different rets to choose from.
     
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    I don't get along with Zeiss at all - a couple of my mates are the same, so it's not me being 'special' :rolleyes:

    The trouble with replacing a scope is what to go for, and the budget involved.

    IMHO Nikon Monarch or Meopta Artemis are about the best most of us will ever look through unless we massively increase our budget, however, to many their cost is already a step (far too) far.

    There is nothing stopping anyone simply using a zoom scope as a fixed mag scope by just leaving it alone on 6x or 7x, which is where I leave mine.

    I am a big fan of smaller scopes. Currently I have three Bushnell Legend Ultra HD 1.75-5x32 Multi-X ret scopes on various rifles and I love them. I also used to use a Simmons Whitetail Classic 1.5-5x20 which, again, are excellent.

    There are loads of options at various price point but you really need to know what you want otherwise you will end up changing again, and again, and...
     
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    Thats a darn fine question!!... some further research is in order, I'll keep the panorama in the mean time.
     
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    I found ages ago that what suits me and makes sense to me is considered under par by some, in terms of features anyway. Optically what I use is much better than most of the junk commonly found on air rifles, but folks seem to want 'stuff' for some reason.

    I've said it many times before but you buy a scope to look through, not at.

    Give me simplicity and clarity over 'stuff' all day.

    Mil dots is another feature I have mentioned several times previously - a mil dot ret is IMHO the very least useful overall for air rifles given how widely spaced the aim points are.

    On the last .177 rig I had, one mil dot was 55 yards and the second was 70, from a 35 yard zero. Seriously, I can't be the only one thinking that's just a tad limiting as options go compared to SR6, MAP6a and similar. Mil dots are better for .22 - I can get (more or less) 5-6 yard increments from a 29 yard zero on a standard mil dot ret, so not too shabby overall, but still nowhere near the likes of an SR6

    Saying that, I am just as happy with a plain ret and either using minor hold over/under or dialing shots in at know range.

    It's about identifying the features you must have vs the ones you think you would like, or that others would have you believe you can't possibly shoot straight without :rolleyes:

    Everyone commented on the little Bushnell scopes I had at Swarland Range last time I was there. Until they had looked through them, I observed a couple of shooters giving them nothing more than a dismissive cursory glance, but they started taking them pretty seriously as soon as they looked through them...

    They took even more notice when I used the one on top of my HW95 and started shooting map pin heads off at 30 yards :)

    "How are you doing that with such a small scope and a springer ?" (give or take the odd word) was the often-repeated question :rolleyes:
     
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    my japanese 3-7 x 32 plain ret should be here in a few days,going to give the simple scopes a chance :D
     
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    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    We all want something definitive from a scope. Me superb optics for the price and a x reticle not a fan of more. Looking through sells the scope not at. I've bought loads and found rets suck on specific guns. So don't want it now.
     
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    I have the same scope as the OP and I love it; I don't use all the features all the time, but I do use them. I think the quality of the glass is perfect for my needs and I like the reticle. What's not to like?

    I think scopes are subject to a large degree of debate, possibly more than rifles, but when all's said and done, the only thing that matters is that your scope does what you want it to do.
     
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    I'm of the same opinion as Jack (above) love my Panorama, the map 6A is perfect for my needs and I use the features if required, wouldn't swap it for anything.
     
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    I agree with Jack too, I get on very well with mine, this was my first scope and so had to learn to shoot with it, love it.
     

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