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Hatsan Query

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Tackleberry0921, May 9, 2019.

  1. Tackleberry0921

    Tackleberry0921 Active Member

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    Hi Folks.
    I have posted a query about upgrade barrels for the Hatsan Gladius in the technical section but thought I would put out an observation or theory about the accuracy problems that seem to be associated with these guns.
    Across the board people seem to be really struggling to get good groups no matter the set up or ammo used, obviously there will always be the exceptions to this with claims of ''cloverleaf groups at 60 yards in typhoon conditions '' but like most mortals I can't get these guns to group at any range...... So I have done some extensive research (lots of you tube vids :)) and it appears that in the USA or any country with max power they seem to group really well with pretty much any ammo in any calibre out to around 100 yards !
    So is it possible that the choked barrels and general design of the gladius is set up for FAC rated guns and dropping the power down to sub 12 ftlb is messing with the performance????
    I would be interested if anyone has any ideas, or if anyone else has noticed this trend via online vids or personal experience?
     
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    Is the crown finished properly..??
     
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    My AT44-10 was reasonably accurate but I know what you mean, they're just lacking that little bit more ain't they...

    Hatsan did use LW barrels at one point but presumably they came at a premium so got ditched in favour of their own home brewed item, sadly at the cost of some accuracy by all accounts...
     
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    Tornado..... I also own the AT 44 10 (Tactical) and it does feel better than the gladius with marginally better accuracy, maybe the 3 year difference between purchase dates has something to do with that and maybe the lack of linkage for the trigger allows for a better shot release ? All i know is that I could do better with almost all of my guns including my old MK1 Webley Vulcan.
    It just feels like there's something lacking !
     
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    One issue I did have with the "44-10" was the barrel bands would cause a shift in p.o.i as the cylinder contracted when the internal pressure began to fall, the shots would string from right to left as the fill pressure decreased, I removed the bands in the end and the difference it made was night and day...
     
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    I have had 2 at44's, one in .177, other in .22.
    Both grouped ok but pellet on pellet at 45 yards after I removed one barrel band, de-ping'd and regulated them, (Lane reg), not sure if that has any bearing upon the Gladius accuracy.
     
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    Rapid,
    everything looks good, nothing obvious anywhere on the gun, no barrel defects or clipping going on...
     
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    I may remove the barrel band on my AT 44 and see what happens, but the gladius doesn't have the same set up
     
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    I have even shot into water at range to prevent too much pellet deformation so I can check out the rifling marks and that seems good too ! nice and even with a decent cut into the lead
     
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    Quick update on this point, all FAC versions of Hatsans seem to produce good groups even out to 100 yards, 12 ft lb guns struggle to group even at 30 yards so I guess the choked barrels work best with the higher power, something I've mentioned on another thread :)
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Are your magazines set up right? If they are the HW100 style ones the apertures the pellets sit in may be a little too narrow.
    Check this by taking the retaining o rings off the magazine, putting pellets in, place on a table, tap and pick up, all the pellets should be on the table, if not the aperture is too tight, enlarge using wet and dry.....
     
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    Secretagentmole,
    That's something I hadn't considered ! I will get on that right now as I am a bit bored right now..... Going to pop out for an afternoon / evening shoot but until then ........... magazines it is :up:
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Had it on my AT44 and the Galatians....
     
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    My AT44 had an unfinished crown with a bit of overhanging swarf which gave shotgun patterns.
    I removed it and polished it up and now it is as accurate as my AA S410.
    The P15 in .25 I have had rough rifling, tight spots and an unfinished crown which also was polished out with no tight spots and recrowned.
    This now shoots very well indeed.
    Shouldn't have to do it but satisfying to get them sorted out and shooting well.
    I
     
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    Secretagentmole,
    good call on the mags, out of all of my mags there wasn't one that was consistent, all had some where pellets were a little too tight to pass through freely so I just spent an hour with my honing kit smoothing out and opening up the tight ones! It could be my imagination but they do seem to feel really smooth now for very little effort.
    Biggest worry was the sharp bit where the rubber sits. As the pellet feeds through into the ''second'' part of the mag past the o ring there was a sharp edge which could easily be shaving pellet heads or skirts as they go through so I have now taken of all edges from all mags.

    So again .... good call !!!
     
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