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H&k Usp...gbb

Discussion in 'Replica Airguns' started by Headhunter, Jul 4, 2020.

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  1. Headhunter

    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    Well it arrived today and I ripped the packaging straight off......

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    It was just as the seller said, a display model from the shop, never fired (apart from to test prior to selling) and was absolutely immaculate......

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    Gave it a go 'going' over, bone dry (as normal with most new guns) and not a mark on it, well not until I started racking the slide back once I'd stripped and lubed it.

    First thoughts ? Dear Lord it's a beast ! It's a bleedin' handful, it's very solid, with some good weight in the hand. The trigger in double action is better than I expected and the trigger in single action is superb, a tiny amount of 'take up' before breaking cleanly. Manually cocking it reveals an unexpected bonus, the sound it makes it so authentic that I found myself just sitting there cocking and pulling the trigger on it for for about five minutes listening to the action, just awestruck by the sound. The de-cocker works as it should and the safety is different from any other auto I own, instead of just locking the action outright (trigger locks, can't rack the slide, etc.) it disengages the trigger totally, that allows you to load the gun and rack the slide back all the while the safety is on !
    When I stripped it down to lube the slide I was surprised to see the H&K patented contained dual spring guide rod system that is on the original copied onto this replica. The magazine is definitely the heaviest mag I've ever encountered, I had to check to see whether the CO2 bulb had been left in it but no, it was empty.

    This is my first 'Tactical Tupperware' gun and the thought of the polymer frame had put me off buying one for quite a while, I'd managed to filter my list down to just three options; the S&W M&P40 (which is a beautiful gun tbh), the Glock 17 (gen 4, obviously) and this the H&K USP and after doing a bit of research I was surprised to find out that H&K were the originators of the polymer frame back in the 70's with the VP70. The USP was the result of the SOCOM primary weapons trials held in 1991 with the H&K mark 23, those are still arguably the most demanding trials that any military weapon has ever been put through and the mark 23 passed with flying colours. As a result, the USP was born, built primarily for the hot S&W .40 auto round which would routinely destroy adapted 9mm pistols in less than 3,000 rounds, it became a favourite amongst special forces world wide and was soon adopted by the German military as the P8 in the 9mm variant where it successfully handles the hottest of loads available and never fails !

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    So now all I have to do is test it for accuracy and chronograph it for fps, I can't do nothing until Monday/Tuesday as this weekend has been reclassified as a family weekend since they lifted the lockdown restrictions slightly, I've got four grandchildren to get reacquainted with and my brother flies back out to Afghanistan in the early part of next week but fingers crossed for Monday, maybe Tuesday I'll get some shooting done :)
     
  2. PBaz Barrett

    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    Very nice looking pistol mate. Enjoy.:thumb:
     
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  3. Twoplusfour1

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    Very nice bud. Does it field strip?
     
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  4. Headhunter

    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    Yes, field strips exactly the same as the original :)
     
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  5. Honest John

    Honest John Engaging Member

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    Damn. Just settled down for a read of this. Il look forward to reading the next episode. I’m really getting into this blowback business and keep thinking of my next acquisition. Shooting blowback has become akin to using my springer rifles. My S400 is ok for comps at 50m but is sterile compared to shooting my TX or my 77 over the same distance. I really really really didn’t mean to start the springer pcp debate again, but the blowback/no blowback replica pistols strike me the same way. Lovely pictures of your H&K by the way.
     
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    Wild Bill CO2 Enthusiast and nice guy.

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    Nice review. :up: It looks great. Nearly as nice as mine.:thumb::D But I must admit I too would prefer the blowback version. I only went for this one because it was cheap and quite powerful.

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  7. td_boy

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    That looks cool :thumb:... I didn't know they did a blowback version, I only knew they did a non-blowback one which is a bit 'meh!'
     
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  8. spaspeckerthedull

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    HK are my favourite arms manufacturer, I have several airsoft and one paintball marker that are HK replicas - I have a 6mm shooting USP but mine is the "match"version with the compensator and magwell flare. It's just had a new piston seal upgrade and now seems MUCH more powerful but will only be able to tell when my club re-opens from lockdown and I can get it on the range

    I really fancy the same version as the OP though as my airsoft version suffers from some serious cooldown - or maybe a USP compact
     
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  9. Sniper Kitten

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    Good review,Thank you.
    Tempted to get one to go with my Umarex HK mP5.
     
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  10. Headhunter

    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    Well I managed to get the gun chronographed today, one weird thing that I noticed about the gun was the fact that the packaging stated that the magazine only holds 16 bb's, well I managed to get 18 in it with room to spare ! Whilst I'm talking about 'weird' things (not actually weird but just different), once you've emptied a mag and the slide locks back, you refill the mag and as soon as you put the magazine back into the gun it automatically releases the slide and feeds a bb into the breech ready for you to go again. It made me jump the first time it did it but I actually really like the idea but simultaneously I was so glad that I engaged the safety when I dumped the mag out of it, something I will have to bear in mind for future use. The is blowback is solid, weighty and very, very snappy, just as it should be, when the slide snaps back the gun seems well balanced and very controllable, seems easier and quicker to get back on target than either the 1911 or the Taurus PT-92 (GSG-92).

    So back to the chronograph test, the USP managed 3 full magazines (3x18=54 in total) and averaged 328 fps per shot, the highest being 343fps (the very first shot) and the lowest being 319fps (shot 54, last shot) but bear in mind that the first shot was +5 above the next six shots and the last shot was -5 compared to the previous four to five shots. It averaged 328fps over the course of the 54 shots with no more than +/-4fps difference between each shot (excluding the first and last shots), so the gun fired very, very consistently. When compared with my other bb autos the results have it in top fps spot (compared against; KWC Luger, Remington 1911 RAC (x2), GSG-92). The fourth and final mag started high (338fps) but steadily dropped down to the sub 300fps mark (280fps) and finally ended up on the last shot at around the 271fps mark and when I removed the mag there was very little CO2 left in it and it struggled with the blowback (a bit 'laggy') on the last 7 or 8 shots.

    So tomorrow I'll be testing it's accuracy at around the 6m mark, I must admit to being a little bit nervous as the gun meets all my expectations in the realism stakes and then some, so I am very happy with it in that respect, it's fps results are really good too, so I am very happy with that .......So something has to go awry somewhere, it can't be that good, can it ? I've got the feeling that tomorrow I'll be back giving you the bad news that you can't hit the barn, let alone the doors at five paces, there's got to be something wrong with it somewhere, it can't be as good as it is and be a good shooter as well or everybody would have heard of these and have one in their collection.

    Oh well, fingers crossed that it can hit a coke can at 6m as it's a stunning gun but come tomorrow we will know for sure :up:
     
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    It should not release the slide when you put the mag in mate. That's a fault with the slide catch not fully engaging.......;)
    Had the same issue with an XDM once.
     
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    Wild Bill CO2 Enthusiast and nice guy.

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    Yes @Headhunter that is a fault with the slide shooting forward when you put a magazine in. I had it on my first M&P 40. They exchanged it for me. The second pistol does not do it at all.
     
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    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    Thanks for the heads up fellas. I'll take a look at it in the morning, see if I can't sort that out :(
     
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    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    Well, I had a few minutes free so I decided to take a look at the slide, @garryt quite correct buddy, the slide catch was not fully engaging properly, whether it had not been checked before painting but there was a reverse slant on the slide release inlet, so the catch was being forced (under the slide's spring pressure) to disengage at the slightest knock (which happened every time I 'slammed' a full mag in the gun).
    So out with the needle files, re-cut the face to the right angle (it now matches the corresponding angle of the slide release catch's face), touched up with the old aluminium black (thanks again GarryT for that helpful suggestion, that stuff is far better for touching up than the cold blue version), re-assembled gun and it works like a charm, happy days.

    Thanks again to GarryT and Wild Bill for pointing that out, I would've been none the wiser unless somebody had said something.

    So that's a cheap new gun (I absolutely love a bargain) and I got to 'fettle' it (I love a good fettle I do) and tomorrow I get to shoot it (that's three for three !). It times like these that make me truly realise why I love this hobby; bargain hunting, fixing & fettling and shooting, three things that are guaranteed to make me smile :)
     
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    That’s a pain my xdm does this but still works fine.
     
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    Headhunter My Chiappa Rhino will be delivered 2moro !

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    If yours has the same fault as mine did (the slide release failing to engage properly) it's not too difficult to fix, doesn't take too long to do and then your gun is 100% functional. My OCD tendencies would not have allowed me have the gun at anything less than 'perfect working condition', it's a curse really ;)
     
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    The slide release works fine but say if the side racks back due to no ammo left if I then leave the slide racked back and chuck a fresh mag in the slide goes forward when mag had Been fully clipped in:up:
     
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    Wild Bill CO2 Enthusiast and nice guy.

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    Yours has the same defect then. Follow Mr Head's advice and get it fixed.:thumb:
     
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    I tried to take apart with no success there is a vid showing how to but the mans hands is covering everything you need to see. So might just leave it I normally release the slide before putting a fresh mag in anyway.
     
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    Wild Bill CO2 Enthusiast and nice guy.

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    The XDM field strips don't it?
     
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